[Teas] Re: Revisiting NRP Selector
Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> Tue, 28 January 2025 14:44 UTC
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Subject: [Teas] Re: Revisiting NRP Selector
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Hi Pavan, thank you for summarazing the discussion and clear formulation of questions. Please find my responses below tagged GIM. Regards, Greg On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 12:45 PM Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote: > We had a virtual interim meeting on May 29th 2024 to discuss the > following NRP Selector specific items: > > - Generic requirements and options for carrying NRP Selector in IP and > MPLS packets > - The relevant modeling aspects > - The data plane specific extensions that come into play when a > dedicated identifier is used as the NRP selector. > > > > The meeting minutes are captured at: > > - > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2024-teas-01/materials/minutes-interim-2024-teas-01-202405291400-00 > > > > We (the chairs) are starting a thread to close on some of the items > specific to having a dedicated identifier that is used as NRP selector > (note that NRP selector refers to the marking in the packet’s network layer > header that is used to associate the packet with an NRP). > > - What do we call this dedicated identifier field? > - “NRP Selector ID” and “NRP Data Plane ID” have been proposed so > far. > > GIM>> The former, "NRP Selector ID", is clearer and preferrable. > > - Length of the dedicated identifier field > - Is it okay for this to be different for different data-plane > types? > - A 32-bit field has been proposed for the IPv6 Data-Plane; A > couple of options – 8 bits and 13 bits – have been proposed for the MPLS > data plane > - Please note that the actual data-plane specific encodings are > outside the scope of the TEAS WG. > > GIM>> The idea that the length of the dedicated field can be different for different data planes is pragmatic and reasonable. I would expected that the interworking between domains with the different length of the dedicated indicator field be addressed in respective WGs that define data plane- specific encodings. > > - “Strict” match indicator > - When a dedicated identifier is used as the NRP Selector, is it > useful to have an explicit indicator to determine what to do with a packet > that cannot be mapped to an NRP? > - Drop the packet vs Map it to a default set of network resources > - The actual encoding of this “indicator” could be different for > different data-plane types and will need to be discussed in the respective > WGs (outside the scope of TEAS WG). > > GIM>> I believe that the dedicated indicator must be used only on exact match, i.e., "strict" match. > > > Please chime in with your thoughts on these items. > > - Pavan and Oscar > > ps: @Jie – Thanks for the offline prod. Please feel free to add other open > items specific to NRP selector (that we may have missed) to the above list. > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list -- teas@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to teas-leave@ietf.org >
- [Teas] Revisiting NRP Selector Vishnu Pavan Beeram
- [Teas] Re: Revisiting NRP Selector Chongfeng Xie
- [Teas] Re: Revisiting NRP Selector Dongjie (Jimmy)
- [Teas] Re: Revisiting NRP Selector Gyan Mishra
- [Teas] Re: Revisiting NRP Selector Wubo (lana)
- [Teas] Re: Revisiting NRP Selector Vishnu Pavan Beeram
- [Teas] Re: Revisiting NRP Selector Ketan Talaulikar
- [Teas] Re: Revisiting NRP Selector Loa Andersson
- [Teas] Re: Revisiting NRP Selector Greg Mirsky
- [Teas] Re: Revisiting NRP Selector Ketan Talaulikar
- [Teas] Re: Revisiting NRP Selector Dongjie (Jimmy)
- [Teas] Re: Revisiting NRP Selector Vishnu Pavan Beeram
- [Teas] Re: Revisiting NRP Selector Dongjie (Jimmy)