[Teas] Re: IETF 120 TEAS WG Session - Draft minutes posted

Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com> Tue, 30 July 2024 17:19 UTC

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From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 22:49:16 +0530
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Sergio,

Thanks. Your comment about the larger scope of
draft-ietf-teas-ns-controller-models is noted. But as you point out, the
discussion on merging the two drafts is still very much valid. It is
something that we would look to explore before the next meeting.

Regards,
-Pavan

On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 9:00 PM Sergio Belotti (Nokia) <
sergio.belotti@nokia.com> wrote:

> Hi Pavan,
>
> I di not realize that during the meeting, I’m sorry for that, but
> regarding the draft
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-ns-controller-models/02/
> , there is a sentence in the minute that does not correspond to the purpose
> of the draft.
>
> The sentence is “Vishnu Pavan Beeram: This is a WG adopted document that
> focuses on the models at the SBI of the NSC, while the next document on the
> agenda is
>
> focusing on the models applicable at the NBI of the NSC; have you consider
> merging these two drafts?
>
>
>
> Luis Contreras: It could make sense to do the merge. “
>
> I do not think (as co-author of the draft) our purpose was to discuss
> relationship with SBI models , as well represented in the first slide of
> Luis’s presentation (the two red ellipses are related both to
> barguil-teas-netowrk-slice-instantiation nothing to do with  draft
> ns-controller)
>
> So, while the discussion on possible merging is still valid, but the real
> context is in my view different , i.e. not SBI vs. NBI of NSC.
>
> Obviously the report should show what really discussed in the meeting , so
> , if it is the case my note can be considered a post-meeting comment.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> BR, Sergio
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2024 3:47 PM
> *To:* mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
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> Thanks, Med.
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> Your chat comment has been captured in
> https://notes.ietf.org/s/notes-ietf-120-teas. We'll wait till the end of
> the week and then upload a revised version of the minutes to the
> datatracker.
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> Regards,
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> -Pavan and Oscar
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> On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 12:58 PM <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote:
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> Hi Pavan, all,
>
>
>
> I have one comment about this part
>
>
>
> ==
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> Joel Halpern(chat):It is not clear to me what it would mean for this to
>
> be a WG Informational draft. Such a status would seem to imply that the
>
> IETF is recommending this approach to 3GPP.
>
> =
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>
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> I’d like we record also in the minutes the clarification I provided in the
> chat that the intended consumers of the draft are operators, not the 3GPP.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Med
>
>
>
> *De :* Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>
> *Envoyé :* mardi 30 juillet 2024 02:20
> *À :* TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
> *Cc :* TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>
> *Objet :* [Teas] IETF 120 TEAS WG Session - Draft minutes posted
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> A draft of the minutes from the IETF 119 TEAS WG session has been posted:
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/120/materials/minutes-120-teas-01
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> Please review and send comments/corrections to the list.
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> The session recording is available at:
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> https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=IETF120-TEAS-20240725-1630
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> Regards,
> - TEAS WG Chairs
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