Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices

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Subject: Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices
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Hi Adrian,
+1

Thanks
Sergio

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rokui, Reza (Nokia -
> CA/Ottawa)
> Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 1:13 PM
> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk
> Cc: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com; teas@ietf.org; Loa Andersson
> <loa@pi.nu>
> Subject: Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices
> 
> Hi Adrian,
> 
> I am fine with the definition of “Customer” provided below.
> 
> Reza
> 
> > On May 5, 2021, at 7:06 AM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > We currently have (in section 5.1, which may be a bit late in the
> > document)
> >
> >   Customer:  A customer is the requester of an IETF Network Slice.
> >      Customers may request monitoring of SLOs.  A customer may manage
> >      the IETF Network Slice service directly by interfacing with the
> >      IETF NSC or indirectly through an orchestrator.
> >
> > We could add "A customer may be an entity such as an enterprise
> > network or a network operator, an individual working at such an
> > entity, a private individual contracting for a service, or an
> > application or software component."
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Adrian
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
> <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> > Sent: 05 May 2021 11:58
> > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Loa Andersson' <loa@pi.nu>nu>; teas@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [Teas] Moving forward with
> > draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >> Anyone else got anything to say on the topic?
> >
> > I would simply use "customer" and make sure the definition is generic
> > enough to denote a role/entity.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Med
> >
> >> -----Message d'origine-----
> >> De : Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Adrian Farrel
> >> Envoyé : mercredi 5 mai 2021 11:59 À : 'Loa Andersson' <loa@pi.nu>nu>;
> >> teas@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Teas] Moving forward with
> >> draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network- slices
> >>
> >> Hi Loa,
> >>
> >>> On customer vs. consumer Adrian says:
> >>>
> >>>>  c. "Consumer" vs "customer". I have made this consistent (we
> >> only need to
> >>>>       use one term). I selected "Customer" because that seemed
> >> best, but I
> >>>>       know some people prefer "consumer". Please discuss if you
> >> are not
> >>>>       happy.
> >>>
> >>> If the choice is between customer vs. consumer, I prefer customer.
> >>
> >> OK. So I made an improvement, but...
> >>
> >>> I don't know if it is too late to bring this up.
> >>
> >> It's never too late to bring things up.
> >>
> >>> But I really don't like either, normal language has a strong
> >>> indication that that that a customer is a person (a person that
> >> walks
> >>> inte to your
> >>> shop) and consumer is also a person /that eats what I bought at
> >> your shop).
> >>
> >> I think you forget about wholesale. What do you call the school that
> >> buys food at the shop to provide to the children? Do you call the
> >> school the customer, or do you refer to the cook who buys the food as
> >> the customer? The contract is with the school, negotiated by the
> >> cook, signed by the bursar.
> >>
> >>> IETF specifies "systems", including what goes into SW and HW, but
> >> we
> >>> don't specify normative rules for human behavior.
> >>>
> >>> I don't know if we can talk about Customer System?
> >>
> >> I'm afraid of this getting heavy for the reader. There are 73
> >> instances of "customer" in the document, and "customer system" may
> >> become tiresome to read.
> >>
> >> Anyone else got anything to say on the topic?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Adrian
> >>
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