From nobody Wed May 5 02:59:01 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13553A0B68 for ; Wed, 5 May 2021 02:58:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.782 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.782 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MAY_BE_FORGED=2.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mf91O2iNi-qO for ; Wed, 5 May 2021 02:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta5.iomartmail.com (mta5.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12F6D3A0B60 for ; Wed, 5 May 2021 02:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (vs2.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.123]) by mta5.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 1459wtb1007497; Wed, 5 May 2021 10:58:55 +0100 Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A9C22048; Wed, 5 May 2021 10:58:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.248]) by vs2.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F57C22042; Wed, 5 May 2021 10:58:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V (74.197.bbplus.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net [81.174.197.74] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 1459wsYM003181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 5 May 2021 10:58:54 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Loa Andersson'" , References: <037401d740c5$70a9cc30$51fd6490$@olddog.co.uk> <3ea262cf-e4c0-5ec0-9736-aedaf6d5d4d8@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <3ea262cf-e4c0-5ec0-9736-aedaf6d5d4d8@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 5 May 2021 10:58:53 +0100 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <009401d74195$41fd70a0$c5f851e0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-gb Thread-Index: AQIxNfjF9qcx9VubDm1D4ubI8og6YwEz+LibqhcYFGA= X-Originating-IP: 81.174.197.74 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-26132.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--6.737-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--6.737-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-26132.006 X-TMASE-Result: 10--6.737500-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 8+bhjh9TQnGyoI+bK8UPQnFPUrVDm6jtC/ExpXrHizzCvo6DOxRiGvrB QG4lHOVdNXbXQqH6D3TXA34IiFg0bckwYM+oZdHX4M3l0EeXvQ305GPBMOUChMI9dI7bfY/ve4/ lQZWR7BJq1r55FCyIt758RPNRRoZDEONKxfrChoLi709uFnkxd6VjgXyvS9c/GUs9b7xvtJqVRz EZ9aTQbfS/9U2/Kffdm4kGJzpzTBBxQamqjayUs9YpUOCigMK3JjoAtfwU0s5QKAQSutQYXMEjo Fgm7EFKFUFBdbv9pv/df9Rgfcas3t/fDBfIC7YyxrcEU94eVgsr9gVlOIN/6myIID37xcHKAbO5 5XKJGy1nHQJ2jUDp71+24nCsUSFN/fTpDjOELgPdB/CxWTRRu4as+d5/8j569NsybRQq/QCU/GP ZZRMXBzMYWWLAXxxhwUpi3DRPGaQLxcqOxVsmNQ== X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 May 2021 09:59:00 -0000 Hi Loa, > On customer vs. consumer Adrian says: > >> c. "Consumer" vs "customer". I have made this consistent (we only = need to >> use one term). I selected "Customer" because that seemed best, = but I=20 >> know some people prefer "consumer". Please discuss if you are = not >> happy. > > If the choice is between customer vs. consumer, I prefer customer. OK. So I made an improvement, but... > I don't know if it is too late to bring this up. It's never too late to bring things up. > But I really don't like either, normal language has a strong = indication=20 > that that that a customer is a person (a person that walks inte to = your=20 > shop) and consumer is also a person /that eats what I bought at your = shop). I think you forget about wholesale. What do you call the school that = buys food at the shop to provide to the children? Do you call the school = the customer, or do you refer to the cook who buys the food as the = customer? The contract is with the school, negotiated by the cook, = signed by the bursar. > IETF specifies "systems", including what goes into SW and HW, but we=20 > don't specify normative rules for human behavior. > > I don't know if we can talk about Customer System? I'm afraid of this getting heavy for the reader. There are 73 instances = of "customer" in the document, and "customer system" may become tiresome = to read. Anyone else got anything to say on the topic? Cheers, Adrian