Re: [Teas] consideration of 1 VPN to N VNs mapping
Young Lee <younglee.tx@gmail.com> Wed, 05 August 2020 10:05 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Teas] consideration of 1 VPN to N VNs mapping
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Hi Kenichi and Dhruv, I think we can relax the mapping between VPN: VN to 1:N as Kenichi was asking this question. I carefully read RFC 8299 and captured the following: in section 6.12.3.2 where QoS profile is defined: o latency: used to define the latency constraint of the class. The latency constraint can be expressed as the lowest possible latency or a latency boundary expressed in milliseconds. How this latency constraint will be fulfilled is up to the SP's implementation of the service: a strict priority queuing may be used on the access and in the core network, and/or a low-latency routing configuration may be created for this traffic class. o jitter: used to define the jitter constraint of the class. The jitter constraint can be expressed as the lowest possible jitter or a jitter boundary expressed in microseconds. How this jitter constraint will be fulfilled is up to the SP's implementation of the service: a strict priority queuing may be used on the access and in the core network, and/or a jitter-aware routing configuration may be created for this traffic class. o bandwidth: used to define a guaranteed amount of bandwidth for the class of service. It is expressed as a percentage. The "guaranteed-bw-percent" parameter uses available bandwidth as a reference. When the qos-profile container is implemented on the CE side, svc-output-bandwidth is taken into account as a reference. When it is implemented on the PE side, svc-input- bandwidth is used. By default, the bandwidth reservation is only guaranteed at the access level. The user can use the "end-to-end" leaf to request an end-to-end bandwidth reservation, including across the MPLS transport network. (In other words, the SP will activate something in the MPLS core to ensure that the bandwidth request from the customer will be fulfilled by the MPLS core as well.) How this is done (e.g., RSVP reservation, controller reservation) is out of scope for this document. >From the highighted text, VPN may have different QoS profile within VPN identifier. Although it is primarily meant for CE-PE level commitment, depending on the operator's need, it can be extended site to site (source to destination) per the colored text. This implies a set of different TE-tunnels that meet the corresponding QoS profile can be supported. In that sense, I think 1:N mapping between a VPN instance to a VN instance is possible. Kenichi, is that what you are trying to say? Please correct me if my understaning is incorrect. Thanks. Young 2020년 8월 5일 (수) 오전 10:08, Ogaki, Kenichi <ke-oogaki@kddi.com>님이 작성: > Hi Dhruv, > > Thanks for the prompt reply. > > >There is an 'end-to-end leaf' that says bandwidth reservation needs to be > done in MPLS network but I did not interpret that it requires maintaining a > separate VN, the consolidated requirements from all classes can be mapped > to a single VN and the QoS is applied at the edges as per the L3SM YANG. > > As you saw in section 6.12.3.2, the properties of custom qos-profile > include latency, and we honestly want the per-flow, classification rule, > based VN mapping mechanism. > > >Anyways, let me get this verified from L3SM experts and come back to you. > > Your colleague and one of co-editors of both te-service-mapping and > RFC8299, Qin Wu, is familiar with this discussion like this: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/l3sm/i5srx8YpD9296bu3VuIkHgAEi3g/ > Q.12 from David Ball > > Thanks, > Kenichi > > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody > Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:54 PM > To: Ogaki, Kenichi <ke-oogaki@kddi.com> > Cc: 宮坂 拓也 <ta-miyasaka@kddi.com>; 丹羽 朝信 <to-niwa@kddi.com>; > draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang@ietf.org; TEAS WG (teas@ietf.org) > <teas@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [Teas] consideration of 1 VPN to N VNs mapping > > Hi Kenichi, > > I have not looked into it in detail but my understanding of the classes in > the custom qos-profile is that they are about the access CE-PE link and > thus would not lead to the creation of a separate VN per class. > > Even in the example > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8299#section-6.12.3.2 it says how the > 100 Mbps on the access link is shared between the 3 classes. > > There is an 'end-to-end leaf' that says bandwidth reservation needs to be > done in MPLS network but I did not interpret that it requires maintaining a > separate VN, the consolidated requirements from all classes can be mapped > to a single VN and the QoS is applied at the edges as per the L3SM YANG. > > Anyways, let me get this verified from L3SM experts and come back to you. > > Thanks! > Dhruv > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:29 PM Ogaki, Kenichi <ke-oogaki@kddi.com> wrote: > > > > Hi draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang authors, > > > > Could you consider 1 to N mapping for the L3VPN to VN mapping? > > > > As we required some changes to actn-vn-yang before/during 108th meeting, > we would like to also discuss an additional requirement to > te-service-mapping-yang. Sorry, late for 108th meeting. > > > > If we correctly understand the current definition, only one VN is > allowed to be mapped to a VPN as described in section 4.1 and the model in > section 6.1.1. > > However, L3SM expects to differentiate traffic handling per qos-profile > which corresponds to key network performance constraints including > bandwidth and latency, etc. as described in section 6.12.3.2 of RFC8299. > > As an operator, we believe this means that a qos-profile should be > mapped to a VN like this: > > > > module: ietf-l3sm-te-service-mapping > > augment /l3vpn-svc:l3vpn-svc/l3vpn-svc:vpn-services > > /l3vpn-svc:vpn-service: > > +--rw te-service-mapping! > > +--rw te-mapping > > +--rw mapping* [mapping-id] > > +--rw mapping-id > > +--rw target-class-id? -> > /l3vpn-svc:l3vpn-svc/vpn-profiles > > | > /valid-provider-identifiers/qos-profile-identifier > > | /id > > +--rw map-type? identityref > > +--rw availability-type? identityref > > +--rw (te)? > > +--:(vn) > > | +--rw vn-ref? -> /vn:vn/vn-list/vn-id > > +--:(te-topo) > > | +--rw vn-topology-id? te-types:te-topology-id > > | +--rw abstract-node? > > | -> /nw:networks/network/node/node-id > > +--:(te-tunnel) > > +--rw te-tunnel-list* te:tunnel-ref > > > > > > Also, in L3SM, qos-profile can be locally defined under > site-network-access and also mapped to classification rules defined there > as described in 6.12.3.2/6.12.3.1. Then, te-service-mapping-yang should > also map a VNAP to the local qos-profile even without vpn-service level > mapping like this: > > > > augment /l3vpn-svc:l3vpn-svc/l3vpn-svc:sites/l3vpn-svc:site > > > /l3vpn-svc:site-network-accesses/l3vpn-svc:site-network-access > > /l3vpn-svc:service/l3vpn-svc:qos/l3vpn-svc:qos-profile > > /l3vpn-svc:profile: > > +--rw (te)? > > +--:(vn) > > +--rw vn-ap-ref? > > -> /vn:ap/access-point-list/vn-ap/vn-ap-id > > > > augment /l3vpn-svc:l3vpn-svc/l3vpn-svc:sites/l3vpn-svc:site > > > /l3vpn-svc:site-network-accesses/l3vpn-svc:site-network-access > > > /l3vpn-svc:service/l3vpn-svc:qos/l3vpn-svc:qos-profile/l3vpn-svc:classes > > /l3vpn-svc:class: > > +--rw (te)? > > +--:(vn) > > +--rw vn-ap-ref? > > -> /vn:ap/access-point-list/vn-ap/vn-ap-id > > > > Although we may consider the same requirement to L2SM mapping, from our > service objectives, the current definition is enough for now. > > > > How do you think? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Kenichi > > > > -- > > Kenichi Ogaki > > KDDI Corp. | Operation Automation Promotion Dept. > > +81-(0)80-5945-9138 | www.kddi.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > >
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- Re: [Teas] consideration of 1 VPN to N VNs mapping Dhruv Dhody
- Re: [Teas] consideration of 1 VPN to N VNs mapping Ogaki, Kenichi
- Re: [Teas] consideration of 1 VPN to N VNs mapping Young Lee
- Re: [Teas] consideration of 1 VPN to N VNs mapping Qin Wu
- Re: [Teas] consideration of 1 VPN to N VNs mapping Ogaki, Kenichi
- Re: [Teas] consideration of 1 VPN to N VNs mapping Ogaki, Kenichi
- Re: [Teas] consideration of 1 VPN to N VNs mapping Qin Wu
- Re: [Teas] consideration of 1 VPN to N VNs mapping Ogaki, Kenichi