Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt
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Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt
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Hi Adrian Just checking if you had any questions related to the feedback on my review. Thank you Gyan On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 11:52 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Adrian > > Attached is the review of 3272bis version 11 word document with comments > along the side. > > I added some verbiage in the abstract & introduction section describing > the three operator environments that exist 1. Public internet, 2. Private > domain with external customers, 3. Internal corporate intranet domain > Throughout the draft I changed "internet traffic engineering" to "traffic > engineering" as there are three unique use cases of traffic engineering > which I described each in detail. > > Also once "traffic engineering (TE) referred to traffic engineering as > "TE" is noted I believe my comment is in the intro section that we should > not have to spell TE out explicitly each time throughout the draft except > when a sentence starts with "traffic engineering". > > Some minor comments throughout the draft. > > Under the protection section I mentioned local protection which I think > should be mentioned LFA, RLFA, TI-LFA. > > Section 6.2 - I had some comments related to ECMP that if you would like I > can do a write-up on ECMP. > > Under 4.1.16 SR-MPLS is mentioned but not SRv6 so I thought it may be > worthwhile to mention SRv6 as uses SR-TE steering even though not mpls > based but as another form of steering using IPv6 data plane. > > Lastly, > > I noticed Multicast was not mentioned under IETF projects section or > anywhere else in the draft. I can add some verbiage to a section and talk > about P2MP TE & replication sid. I did not comment on this in the draft as > no multicast section exists. > > Kind Regards > > Gyan > > On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 11:26 AM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> Hi Adrian >> >> I see you published a version 12. I went through all of MEDs updates in >> version 11 and ensured that my updates are mutually exclusive no overlap of >> MEDs updates. >> >> I built my updated on version 11. I am almost done and will send out >> tomorrow night. >> >> Thanks >> >> Gyan >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 11:00 AM <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Adrian, >>> >>> Thank you for the replies. Here is some few follow-up points: >>> >>> * s/within the control plane or by controllers/within the control or >>> management plane >>> >>> * "I'm not clear about the term "resource-based access control". Do you >>> mean "policing"? If so, yes. Policing is mentioned just two sentences later" >>> >>> I actually meant resource-based admission control. This is now covered >>> by the new section you added. Thanks. >>> >>> * " The word "economically" is, I think, giving you a different meaning >>> to what is intended. I think the word is not intended to just mean >>> "financially economical", but also to mean "not wasteful or profligate." >>> This is similar to "efficient", but not the same. In this context, >>> "economically" would certainly apply to power use, money, and any other >>> resource. >>> I spent a little time trying to think of an equivalent word (because if >>> it is causing you unrest, it will do the same for other readers), but I was >>> unable to think of one.": >>> >>> The concern I had is that the observed behavior is conditioned by the >>> metrics/attributes/information that can be disseminated and acted upon. >>> Optimizing the forwarding with a set of metrics as inputs does not >>> guarantee that the overall forwarding is economically-optimized. That's why >>> I provided the example of power-consumption. Such optimization is not >>> currently supported at the level of a network (despite that some >>> optimization can be made at the node/card level). >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Med >>> >>> > -----Message d'origine----- >>> > De : Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] >>> > Envoyé : samedi 15 mai 2021 19:40 >>> > À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> >>> > Objet : RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt >>> > >>> > Here's the file. >>> > >>> > Many thanks for looking at this. >>> > >>> > Adrian >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> >>> > Sent: 15 May 2021 18:11 >>> > To: 'mohamed.boucadair@orange.com' <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>; >>> > 'teas@ietf.org' <teas@ietf.org> >>> > Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' <teas-chairs@ietf.org> >>> > Subject: RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt >>> > >>> > Hi Med, >>> > >>> > Thanks for all of your comments. >>> > >>> > Nearly everything is accepted and included. >>> > >>> > Not sure the best way to respond to your Word file, so I embedded my >>> > responses and I'll send it to you under separate cover (no need to >>> > spam the mailing list). >>> > >>> > There'll be a -12 along soon to capture your improvements. >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > Adrian >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> >>> > Sent: 03 May 2021 15:49 >>> > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org >>> > Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' <teas-chairs@ietf.org> >>> > Subject: RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt >>> > >>> > Hi Adrian, all, >>> > >>> > FWIW, you may find some comments at: >>> > * pdf: >>> > https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/blob/master/draft- >>> > ietf-teas >>> > -rfc3272bis-11-rev%20Med.pdf >>> > * doc: >>> > https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/raw/master/draft- >>> > ietf-teas- >>> > rfc3272bis-11-rev%20Med.docx >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Med >>> > >>> > > -----Message d'origine----- >>> > > De : Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Adrian >>> > Farrel >>> > > Envoyé : mercredi 7 avril 2021 21:24 À : teas@ietf.org Cc : 'TEAS >>> > WG >>> > > Chairs' <teas-chairs@ietf.org> Objet : Re: [Teas] I-D Action: >>> > > draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt >>> > > >>> > > With this version I have filled in the remaining TBDs: >>> > > - small section on intent-based network >>> > > - small section on multi-layer TE (thanks, Lou, for the suggestion) >>> > > - change log from 3272 >>> > > >>> > > As far as I'm concerned this document is complete modulo review >>> > > comments. >>> > > >>> > > It *really* needs review, but I can't force you! >>> > > Maybe you can look at the sections of special interest to you? >>> > > Maybe the original Design Team could take another look? >>> > > >>> > > Otherwise: time for WG last call? >>> > > >>> > > Thanks, >>> > > Adrian >>> > > >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: I-D-Announce <i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of >>> > > internet-drafts@ietf.org >>> > > Sent: 07 April 2021 19:25 >>> > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >>> > > Cc: teas@ietf.org >>> > > Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>> > > directories. >>> > > This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture >>> > and >>> > > Signaling WG of the IETF. >>> > > >>> > > Title : Overview and Principles of Internet >>> > Traffic >>> > > Engineering >>> > > Author : Adrian Farrel >>> > > Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt >>> > > Pages : 91 >>> > > Date : 2021-04-07 >>> > > >>> > > Abstract: >>> > > This document describes the principles of traffic engineering >>> > (TE) >>> > > in >>> > > the Internet. The document is intended to promote better >>> > > understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in >>> > IP >>> > > networks and the networks that support IP networking, and to >>> > > provide >>> > > a common basis for the development of traffic engineering >>> > > capabilities for the Internet. The principles, architectures, >>> > and >>> > > methodologies for performance evaluation and performance >>> > > optimization >>> > > of operational networks are also discussed. >>> > > >>> > > This work was first published as RFC 3272 in May 2002. This >>> > > document >>> > > obsoletes RFC 3272 by making a complete update to bring the text >>> > in >>> > > line with best current practices for Internet traffic >>> > engineering >>> > > and >>> > > to include references to the latest relevant work in the IETF. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis/ >>> > > >>> > > There are also htmlized versions available at: >>> > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11 >>> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11 >>> > > >>> > > A diff from the previous version is available at: >>> > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11 >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >>> > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at >>> > > tools.ietf.org. >>> > > >>> > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>> > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > I-D-Announce mailing list >>> > > I-D-Announce@ietf.org >>> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce >>> > > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or >>> > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Teas mailing list >>> > > Teas@ietf.org >>> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas >>> > >>> > _____________________________________________________________________ >>> > _______ >>> > _____________________________________________ >>> > >>> > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations >>> > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, >>> > exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis… Gyan Mishra