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Subject: [Teas] Re: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-teas-rfc8776-update-14.txt
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Re-, I would indicate path-metric-hop to better link the example with the identities discussed in that bullet: NEW: For example, the measurement unit is not applicable for the number of hops metric ('path-metric-hop'). Thanks. Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com> > Envoyé : mardi 12 novembre 2024 14:01 > À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>; > teas@ietf.org > Objet : RE: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-teas-rfc8776- > update-14.txt > > Hi Med, > > What about adding the following sentence? > > "For example, for the number of hops metric for which a > measurement unit is not applicable" > > Thanks, Italo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> > > Sent: martedì 12 novembre 2024 10:57 > > To: Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; teas@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: New Version Notification for > > draft-ietf-teas-rfc8776-update-14.txt > > > > Hi Italo, > > > > Thanks for taking care of the comments. > > > > Please see inline. > > > > Cheers, > > Med > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > De : Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com> Envoyé : samedi 9 > novembre > > > 2024 12:13 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET > > > <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>; teas@ietf.org Objet : RE: New > > > Version Notification for draft-ietf-teas-rfc8776- update- > 14.txt > > > > > > > > > Thanks Med > > > > > > I have updated the draft in github to address most of your > comments. > > > You can check the diff at: > > > > > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2 > > > Fauthor-tools.ietf.org%2Fdiff%3Fdoc_1%3Ddraft-ietf-teas- > rfc8776- > > > update- > > > 14%26url_2%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fraw.githubusercontent.com%2Ftsaad- > > > dev%2Fte%2Frefs%2Fheads%2Fmaster%2Fdrafts%2Fte-types- > > > update%2Fdraft-ietf-teas-rfc8776- > > > > > > update.txt&data=05%7C02%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C35f03 > > 7 > > > > > > 43b5324ccf4fbd08dd00af9341%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C > > 0 > > > %7C0%7C638667476300995946%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0 > > eU1hcGk > > > > iOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldU > > > > > IjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fJlu8LBEMlX9Vh6MB2FOfqajgBtRa3e > > X3 > > > 4NJeGMz38o%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > These are the comments for which I would need more input from > the > > > TEAS > > > WG: > > > > > > > * " The derived identities SHOULD describe the ..": I > wouldn't > > > > surprised if you receive a comment about why this is not a > > > MUST. You > > > > may explain an exception in the text if you have one in > mind. > > > > > > An exception is the number of hops which do not have a > measurement > > > unit, so it cannot be a MUST. Spelling out the exception is > not > > > future > > > proof: we do not wish to precluding future definitions of > other > > > identities similar which do not have measurement units. > > > > > > > [Med] I'm afraid you misread my comment. This is not about > listing > > every exception but indicating an example of when the SHOULD > can be ignored. > > Listing the # of hops as an example would be great. > > > > As a reminder, RFC2119 says the following: > > > > 3. SHOULD This word, or the adjective "RECOMMENDED", mean > that there > > may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances to > ignore a > > particular item, but the full implications must be > understood and > > carefully weighed before choosing a different course. > > > > > > * I like this text, but is this used by other standard > models > > > outside IETF? > > > > > > > > CURRENT: > > > > The container has been renamed as 'explicit-route- > > > objects'. > > > > This change is not affecting any IETF standard > YANG > > > models > > > > since this grouping has not yet been used by any > YANG > > > model > > > > defined in existing IETF RFCs. > > > > > > > > > > The text reflects the decision based on the discussion on the > > > list: > > > > > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2 > > > Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Fteas%2Fcmf7KsRBxFQZ6oaf- > > > > > mzWTdZxAYQ%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com% > > 7C35f > > > > > > 03743b5324ccf4fbd08dd00af9341%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20% > > > > > 7C0%7C0%7C638667476301021706%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB > > 0eU1h > > > > cGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsI > > > > > ldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=yy0Y10Irdm9SFG8vuVzgotO1cEN > > NHj > > > y%2FD7XVyJ84Uow%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > IMHO, it is quite unlikely that other SDOs are importing this > > > grouping from RFC 8776 but I do not think we can write > anything > > > about this in an IETF draft/RFC so better to keep silent on > this > > > point > > > > [Med] I wasn't asking for any change here but interested to > hear if > > this was used outside. Thanks > > > > > > > > > * I still find identifiers such as " > > > > path-computation-error-destination-unknown- > > > > in-domain" to be toooooo long, but... > > > > > > At this stage, there is nothing I can do. > > > > > > > [Med] :-) > > > > > Just a side comment: > > > > > > > * "revision 2024-10-30" and file name should be > consistent. > > > Fix the date. > > > > > > This is another example of why I do not like duplicated > information > > > to be manually kept updated: this duplicated information > quickly > > > gets out of synch if authors or reviewers are not carefully > enough > > > to double check it > > > > > > An automatic tool to automatically keep this text in synch > or, at > > > least, flag the nit before submission would be very useful > > > > > > > [Med] Agree. > > > > > Italo > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > > <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> > > > > Sent: venerdì 8 novembre 2024 08:18 > > > > To: Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; teas@ietf.org > > > > Subject: RE: New Version Notification for > > > > draft-ietf-teas-rfc8776-update-14.txt > > > > > > > > Hi Italo, > > > > > > > > Many thanks for the effort put in this document. > > > > > > > > I used a diff vs the original RFC to do a final check: > > > https://author- > > > > tools.ietf.org/diff?doc_1=rfc8776&doc_2=draft-ietf-teas- > > > rfc8776-update > > > > - > > > > 14&wdiff=1 > > > > > > > > For the record, I consider the comments I raised as closed. > > > > > > > > FWIW, find below some nits/comments that you can consider > for a > > > future > > > > iteration when you will have other reviews: > > > > > > > > * I would invert the ordering of 1.2/1.3 so that mapping > with > > > 8776 is > > > > preserved > > > > * Introduction: s/ YANG models and obsoletes/ YANG modules > and > > > > obsoletes (or YANG data models and obsoletes) > > > > * Section 3.1: To ease referring by future documents, you > may > > > convert > > > > the text starting with " The "xxx" module contains the > > > following " > > > > into subsections > > > > * Idem as previous comment for Section 3.2 > > > > * Section 3.1: s/No standard LPS provisioning/No standard > LP > > > > provisioning > > > > * " The derived identities SHOULD describe the ..": I > wouldn't > > > > surprised if you receive a comment about why this is not a > > > MUST. You > > > > may explain an exception in the text if you have one in > mind. > > > > * Don't be restrictive in how this will be used: > > > > > > > > OLD: > > > > path-computation-error-reason: A base YANG identity for > > > reporting > > > > path computation error reasons as defined in Section > > > 3.1.1. > > > > > > > > NEW: > > > > path-computation-error-reason: A base YANG identity for > > > indicating > > > > path computation error reasons as defined in Section > > > 3.1.1. > > > > > > > > (idem in the wording in 3.1.1) > > > > > > > > * These entries are listed as identities, while these are > > > groupings. > > > > Please fix > > > > that: > > > > > > > > CURRENT: > > > > > > > > The "ietf-te-types" module contains the following YANG > > > reusable > > > > identities: > > > > ... > > > > explicit-route-hop: A YANG grouping that defines > supported > > > explicit > > > > routes as defined in [RFC3209] and [RFC3477]. > > > > ... > > > > > > > > encoding-and-switching-type: This is a common grouping > to > > > define the > > > > LSP encoding and switching types. > > > > > > > > * Explicit this is to clarify what an IANA module is not > used > > > here > > > > > > > > OLD: > > > > The derived identities are defined in the "ietf-te- > types" > > > module > > > > because there are error reasons which are: > > > > > > > > NEW: > > > > The derived identities are defined in the "ietf-te- > types" > > > module > > > > instead of an IANA-maintained module because there are > error > > > > reasons which are: > > > > > > > > * Section 3.2: I would split the identities vs groupings > > > > * I like this text, but is this used by other standard > models > > > outside IETF? > > > > > > > > CURRENT: > > > > The container has been renamed as 'explicit-route- > > > objects'. > > > > This change is not affecting any IETF standard > YANG > > > models > > > > since this grouping has not yet been used by any > YANG > > > model > > > > defined in existing IETF RFCs. > > > > > > > > * "revision 2024-10-30" and file name should be > consistent. > > > Fix the date. > > > > * I still find identifiers such as " > > > > path-computation-error-destination-unknown- > > > > in-domain" to be toooooo long, but... > > > > * " "At least one node identifier MUST be present."; I > don't > > > think > > > > you need the normative language here as you already have a > must > > > statement. > > > > * Idem in > > > > > > > > " "At least one node identifier and at > least > > > one Link > > > > Termination Point (LTP) identifier MUST be > > > present."; " > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Med > > > > > > > > > > > > Orange Restricted > > > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > > > De : Italo Busi <Italo.Busi=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> > > > > > Envoyé : mardi 5 novembre 2024 00:10 À : teas@ietf.org > > > Objet : > > > > > [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-teas- > > > > > rfc8776-update-14.txt > > > > > > > > > > Dear TEAS WG and chairs, > > > > > > > > > > I have just uploaded an updated version of the draft > > > addressing all > > > > > the comments received during the second Working group > last > > > call of > > > > > draft-ietf-teas-rfc8776-update-13 and discussion on the > WG > > > mailing > > > > > list > > > > > > > > > > I believe the draft is not ready to go to IESG > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Italo (on behalf of co-authors/contributors) > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org <internet- > drafts@ietf.org> > > > > > > Sent: martedì 5 novembre 2024 01:05 > > > > > > To: Aihua Guo <aihuaguo.ietf@gmail.com>; Igor Bryskin > > > > > > <i_bryskin@yahoo.com>; Italo Busi > <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; > > > > > Tarek Saad > > > > > > <tsaad.net@gmail.com>; Xufeng Liu > > > <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com> > > > > > > Subject: New Version Notification for > > > > > > draft-ietf-teas-rfc8776-update-14.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > A new version of Internet-Draft draft-ietf-teas- > rfc8776- > > > update- > > > > > 14.txt > > > > > > has been successfully submitted by Italo Busi and > posted to > > > the > > > > > IETF repository. > > > > > > > > > > > > Name: draft-ietf-teas-rfc8776-update > > > > > > Revision: 14 > > > > > > Title: Common YANG Data Types for Traffic > Engineering > > > > > > Date: 2024-11-05 > > > > > > Group: teas > > > > > > Pages: 154 > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2 > > > > > Fwww.ietf.org%2Farchive%2Fid%2Fdraft-ietf-teas-rfc8776- > > > update- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 14.txt&data=05%7C02%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C26c442cf5 > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > > 2b4778426208dcfd2e4716%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7 > > > > C0 > > > > > %7C638663622429788248%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC > > 4wL > > > > jAwMDA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdat > > > > > > > > > > > a=hApMC%2Bb%2FKohyTzQJBIZ9ac0tKOzIqFZoVFo14Erf0IM%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > Status: > > > > > > > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2 > > > > > Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-teas-rfc8776- > > > > > > > > > > > update%2F&data=05%7C02%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C26c4 > > > > 42c > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f522b4778426208dcfd2e4716%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0% > > > > > > > > > > > 7C0%7C638663622429807585%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4 > > > > wLjAw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C& > > > > s > > > > > > > > > > > data=2%2FJV94ILkIg0Gr6M29gWhYPnsVMFv5%2F7YM9dsZs%2Bs7c%3D&rese > > > > rve > > > > > d=0 > > > > > > HTMLized: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2 > > > > > Fdata > > > > > > tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-teas- > rfc8776- > > > > > &data=05%7C02% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C26c442cf522b4778426208dcfd2e > > > > 47 > > > > > 16%7C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C638663622429822216% > > > > 7CU > > > > > nknow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > n%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1ha > > > > > WwiLC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xYJwo5A14GdYtVLDsrzVXxHSigD1js > > > > g1w > > > > > Jx9tL > > > > > > FoMEo%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > update > > > > > > Diff: > > > > > > > > > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2 > > > > > Fauthor-tools.ietf.org%2Fiddiff%3Furl2%3Ddraft-ietf-teas- > > > rfc8776- > > > > > > > > > > > &data=05%7C02%7Cmohamed.boucadair%40orange.com%7C26c442cf522b4 > > > > 778 > > > > > > > > > > > 426208dcfd2e4716%7C90c7a20af34b40bfbc48b9253b6f5d20%7C0%7C0%7C > > > > 638 > > > > > > > > > > > 663622429836473%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAi > > > > LCJQI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hFW > > > > a > > > > > ZMR8jikNKAVcwSRrPYk%2FXPnzkc%2FQSlW2225ZksM%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > update-14 > > > > > > > > > > > > Abstract: > > > > > > > > > > > > This document defines a collection of common data > types, > > > > > identities, > > > > > > and groupings in YANG data modeling language. These > > > derived > > > > > common > > > > > > data types, identities and groupings are intended to > be > > > > > imported by > > > > > > other modules, e.g., those which model the Traffic > > > > > Engineering (TE) > > > > > > configuration and state capabilities. > > > > > > > > > > > > This document obsoletes RFC 8776. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Teas mailing list -- teas@ietf.org To unsubscribe send an > email > > > > > to teas-leave@ietf.org > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des > > > informations > > > > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre > > > diffuses, > > > > exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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- [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-iet… Italo Busi
- [Teas] Re: New Version Notification for draft-iet… mohamed.boucadair
- [Teas] Re: New Version Notification for draft-iet… Italo Busi
- [Teas] Re: New Version Notification for draft-iet… mohamed.boucadair
- [Teas] Re: New Version Notification for draft-iet… Italo Busi
- [Teas] Re: New Version Notification for draft-iet… mohamed.boucadair
- [Teas] Re: New Version Notification for draft-iet… Italo Busi