Re: [Techspec] RFC Author Count and IPR
"todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net> Thu, 25 May 2006 23:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Techspec] RFC Author Count and IPR
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Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Braden" <braden@ISI.EDU> To: <todd.glassey@att.net> Cc: <ipr-wg@ietf.org>; <braden@ISI.EDU>; <techspec@ietf.org>; <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Techspec] RFC Author Count and IPR > > > Todd Glassey wrote: > > *> > *> This is a very bad thing, since each of those authors has legal control over > *> their portions of the work or derivatives of their contribution within the > *> work itself. I.e. they are all legal signatories to any conveyance of > *> copyrights or derivative use rights including implementaiton rights. > *> > > This is all very puzzling. yeah I know - hey I didnt get into the thick of IP Law until I had to sue someone over the violation of a patent, and since I am not a lawyer I legally cannot render an opinion other than my personal one. So that disclaimer taken care of... lets walk these logic-statements out and see where they lead... > Suppose that document editor X in a WG Is the DE (Document Editor) an employee or party of the WG framework or a member of it, or both, and what role would they be acting as in this example. > receives a paragraph that has been crafted by another WG member Y. "Crafted" means what? that the party was the original creator of that IP or that they editied the IP as a DE for instance. The reasons for asking are relative to who would own the CR's... My take would be that if the person in WG "Y" is the creator of the IP, and its referenced in another "Standards Initiative" somewhere that this likely would trigger the RESEARCH EXEMPTION in the US Copyright Act, and so no release would be necessary. Further with the way the releases are now, once the IP is submitted to the IETF, anyone else in any other WG can use it or its derivatives as well within the ISOC or IETF processes without any notice as far as I can tell. We might want to change that as well to provide traceability back to the originating source of the IP. Assume now that one of the WG's is in OASIS or ITU or ANSI for instance. How does the OASIS CR get modified by a source IP License in the Boilerplate that says "Any and all uses" which seems like it would violate OASIS's RC for instance. > Also, suppose that in fitting the paragraph into the document, X > changes the text a bit (or a lot). Now, does Y retain "legal > control" (presumably you mean copyright) over the paragraph as > it finally appears in the finished document? I think that would depend on the conveyance model to the IETF. My understanding in the case of the TRUST is that the TRUST would own everything.... so "No" - but generally I would think that the answer here is that core rights to the underlying IP are with Owner Y and the derivative words and the rights to them belong to the author of X but the Author of X does not own the rights to Y so they cannot convey anything but the rights to their words to whoever they are selling, licensing or giving them to. > > Bob Braden Bob - Take for a closing example, the two ISI Powertpoint Templates. These are both copyrighted documents which are templates for content to be added into, amazingly just like the IETF's word Document Templates, or the "Instructions as to what an ID must contain and be conformant to" in the controlling IPR works, what I refer to as the unheavenly twins - meaning BCP78 and 79 et Al. The derivative work is the users' content encased and integrated with the template and the processes for using the template which are documented in ancillary or adjunct documents. So let me ask you, who owns the original content and the derivatve here? How about after one creates the presentation, who owns the template after that? Also what follow-on rights to that template does that Author have??? The answer should be none. If you have questions about that I suggest that ISI call the University's Legal Office - they will have answers immediatly for the control of the ISI templates. Apply those same process policies to the IETF and we are clean. Todd Glassey _______________________________________________ Techspec mailing list Techspec@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/techspec
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