Re: [Terminology] Rewritten charter was Re: Further ballot positions was Re: Éric Vyncke's Abstain on charter-ietf-term-00-03: (with COMMENT)

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Subject: Re: [Terminology] Rewritten charter was Re: Further ballot positions was Re: Éric Vyncke's Abstain on charter-ietf-term-00-03: (with COMMENT)
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Our emails crossed.

thanks for raising the ticket -- silently rewriting existing groups' charters could
be a whole new world of mischief.

(I would think, in the interests of transparency, anything record in the history
webpage should be mailed to the lists of those interested/affected.)

Lloyd Wood
lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk






On Monday, 12 April 2021, 20:24:02 GMT+10, Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> wrote: 





Hi,

On 2021-4-12, at 13:13, Lloyd W <lloyd.wood=40yahoo.co.uk@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> I see that you've just issued a rewritten -04 of the TERM charter, too.
> Can notifications to this list please be turned back on.

I did email a notification to terminology@ietf.org?

The datatracker doesn't currently seem to do this when a group charter is updated, and there doesn't seem to be an option to make it do so that I see. So this is not something that was either turned off or can be turned on without a code change. I opened https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/3254.

(This is unrelated to some AD ballot emails not having been sent to this list, which is up to the commenting AD to enable or disable when they comment.)


Thanks,
Lars
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