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[Terminology] Do you intend to use draft-knodel-terminology as if it is the opinion of the IETF?

Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com> Sun, 07 November 2021 07:17 UTC

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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2021 18:16:14 +1100
From: Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com>
To: Mallory Knodel <mknodel@cdt.org>, mail@nielstenoever.net
Cc: terminology@ietf.org, "RFC ISE (Adrian Farrel)" <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>
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Subject: [Terminology] Do you intend to use draft-knodel-terminology as if it is the opinion of the IETF?
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Hi Mallory and Niels,

I made what could probably be construed as "an insinuation" in a recent comment to this list, so I figure it's only polite to directly address the direct question to you:

If `draft-knodel-terminology` is published as an independent-stream RFC, do you intend to reference that document in contexts outside the IETF, and make claims that it is more than your own personal opinions?

I would appreciate an answer on this direct question from each of you, in this public forum, where it is archived and can be referenced in future.

Thanks,

Bron.

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