Re: [Terminology] Recent posts to the terminology mailing list

Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com> Mon, 08 November 2021 10:17 UTC

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From: Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com>
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> Il 07/11/2021 07:01 Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com> ha scritto:
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> There's a way to address issues with draft-knodel-terminology - personally I sent my review directly to the ISE since he's the one tasked with the unfortunate and thankless job of working out whether it's appropriate for publication.
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Just for the record, I also sent my review of the draft to the ISE a couple of months ago, which suggested - as a minimum - to remove the judgemental parts, which IMHO are inappropriate. Independent RFCs should be about publishing non-standard technical practices that it is still useful to document, not the non-technical views of some IETF participants, and definitely not their personal judgement of other IETF participants.

On the other hand, if we were to do anything useful with this list, I would be happy to contribute to a draft whose aim - given that consensus is clearly impossible - were to document the different views on the subject in different communities and parts of the world, to the advantage of engineers that may be confronted with similar issues. But I think we already decided that it was better to close this debate with the NIST reference and do something else.

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