Re: [Terminology] Recent posts to the terminology mailing list

[Bron Gondwana <[e-mail]>]

On Sun, Nov 7, 2021, at 14:03, Dan Harkins wrote:
> 
> On 11/5/21 2:02 PM, Nick Doty wrote:
>> Hi Rob,
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:34 PM Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton=[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I've recently joined Lars and Sean as a co-moderator for this list.
>> 
>> Thank you for helping with moderation of this list, which is needed.
> 
> Old and busted: We reject kings, presidents, and voting.
> 
> New hotness: We need moderators on our mailing lists so no one gets offended.
>  

Nah, we only need moderators because some people like picking at scabs and trying to get them bleeding again.


Some people do that by sending their drafts to the ISE when it's clear that they aren't going to get IETF consensus, but they still want to get IETF branding and an RFC number next to their words.

And some do it by posting repeated snarky and cynically sarcastic comments at people who are trying to help.


Nobody wins when we just keep being mean to each other, as I'm sad to have seen both you Lloyd doing over the past couple of days on this list.


Obviously the problem of "who decides who is the moderator" is a real problem.  But you're right, the Old and busted does need to be updated.

*New hotness: We reject kings, presidents, voting, and sarcastic unproductive dialogue.*


There's a way to address issues with draft-knodel-terminology - personally I sent my review directly to the ISE since he's the one tasked with the unfortunate and thankless job of working out whether it's appropriate for publication.

Continuing to pick away and try to damage the community here because it doesn't 100% behave how you'd like is not a winning way to persuade the ISE, or honestly a great to persuade others that you have views worth listening to.

Which frustrates me - because sometimes I agree with you, but it's really hard to separate the bits I agree with from hyperbole and catastrophization, that damage rather than increase communication.

Regards,

Bron.
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