Re: Review of thinosi cookbook
Peter Furniss <cziwprf@pluto.ulcc.ac.uk> Thu, 21 July 1994 13:30 UTC
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From: Peter Furniss <cziwprf@pluto.ulcc.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: Review of thinosi cookbook
To: Allison J Mankin <mankin@cmf.nrl.navy.mil>
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Allison, Thank you for your reply on the cookbook - I'm glad you have it in hand. > , can you give me a bit more detail about > the state of implementations and use of the proposal? There are two implementations directly inspired by thinosi - Terry Sullivan's TOSI, which was used as the protocol engine in the osilite (I think thats what he called it) implementation by Andrew Worsely (which used the same interface as ISODE and my XTI/mOSI prototype. These have not had a chance to communicate with each other yet. However, since the cookbook is essentially a greatly simplified redescription of the OSI upper-layers, a thinosi implementation will interwork with any osi implementation (when supporting the same application protocol - see the cookbook for an explanation). The XTI/mOSI prototype interworks with the HP commercial osi product, and osi-lite has, I believe interworked with normal isode. > I was slightly aware of a thin-osi effort in the > U.S. Defense Messaging System arena -- are they now > among likely users? There was certainly interest, but I'm not sure what has happened. There is considerable interest is using thinosi (or minimal osi - which is the same thing using documents suited to different environments) to support remote database access (RDA) and the library protocols (Z39.50, or its ISO equivalent SR, and ILL). There has also been discussion of alternative upper-layer protocols (which, generally will not interwork, but perform equivalent function for the application protocols) in this area, and especially in aviation. THIS IS NOT THINOSI (which is the existing standard protocols implemented sensibly), though we opened the mailing list to discussion on reduced OSI, which is a useful name for this. > As to likening this delay to an ISO timetable, well, do > remember we are all volunteers on this IESG staff :). It was only a tease. But I fear you may be under a serious misunderstanding about ISO committees, which should be corrected: The technical people involved in ISO are also volunteers - counting as volunteers people whose companies volunteer their efforts and people who persuade their managers that it is worthwhile spending time and travel money. The only ones who get paid for their committee work (consultancies excepted) are the national standards body staff - and they are volunteered by the national standards body (so ANSI don't get anything from ISO for running secretariats), and the iso staff . This is very similar to the IETF/IESG arrangements, or would be if all the secretariat funding was via ISOC subscription (there is nothing equivalent to the US federal funding of the secretariat, which is why ISO and the national standards bodies try to cover their secretariat costs by charging for the documents - we are trying to persuade them that this is self-defeating) My apologies if you knew this perfectly well and I am just over-reacting. Peter (also volunteer chair of BSI IST/21/-/8, editor of 4 iso standards)
- Review of thinosi cookbook Peter Furniss
- Re: Review of thinosi cookbook Allison J Mankin
- Re: Review of thinosi cookbook Peter Furniss
- Re: Review of thinosi cookbook Andrew Worsley