Re: [tlp-interest] Consultation on Restructuring the IETF Trust - More Info

Stephan Wenger <stewe@stewe.org> Thu, 19 May 2022 01:30 UTC

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From: Stephan Wenger <stewe@stewe.org>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, "tlp-interest@ietf.org" <tlp-interest@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [tlp-interest] Consultation on Restructuring the IETF Trust - More Info
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Hi Brian,
Re Articles of Incorporation: yes, those are required.  I view the creation and filing of that document as a purely administrative process.  My expectation is that we will use the minimum required (name, purpose, structure (non-stock non-profit), BoD/incorporators, contact info).  When drafting, I expect we/counsel will copy whatever can be copied from the Bylaws, have counsel draft the remainder, and file it with the Bylaws attached.  
Stephan

On 5/18/22, 17:47, "tlp-interest on behalf of Brian E Carpenter" <tlp-interest-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    Again on the draft by-laws:

    The draft defines "RFC" but does not define "BCP".

    Apart from that, I didn't see anything in need of comment.

    Will there also be Articles of Incorporation?

    Regards
        Brian Carpenter

    On 19-May-22 07:33, The IETF Trust wrote:
    > As announced previously [1] the IETF Trust is holding a webinar on May 23 on the proposal to update the legal structure of the IETF Trust from a Virginia Trust to a not-for-profit Delaware Corporation.
    > 
    > Proposal Information Page
    > -------------------------
    > https://trustee.ietf.org/about/community-consultation-on-restructuring-the-ietf-trust/
    > 
    > The IETF Trustees have prepared a page with the details on the proposal including the draft bylaws of the new not-for-profit, the current 2nd Amended IETF Trust Agreement that the draft bylaws are based on, and the presentation to be shown at the webinar.
    > 
    > 
    > Please direct comments on the proposal to the TLP-INTEREST at IETF.ORG mailing list.
    > (Registration to the list is required to post)
    > 
    > 
    > [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/kkN_8OjeQ6Q-ZDC2PNPiBHtKVR8/
    > 
    > Regards
    > Glenn Deen, IETF Trust Chair
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