Re: [tlp-interest] Proposed Policy on Rights in IANA Parameter Registry Data

Dick Franks <rwfranks@gmail.com> Tue, 22 September 2020 02:11 UTC

Return-Path: <rwfranks@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: tlp-interest@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: tlp-interest@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6E93A10E6; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 19:11:17 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.097
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zfnRHTajNrXc; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 19:11:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-io1-xd2a.google.com (mail-io1-xd2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 044863A10E5; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 19:11:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-io1-xd2a.google.com with SMTP id g128so17856809iof.11; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 19:11:15 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=1Pok7UxFX2uSnwu6pO0liRgh8eRtJZY1oL9pxeWKJ1w=; b=NHH1U/pJH342Dr+80NAUVqIiD5WMCser75WtJ9Xov2oqMcWrY8TGxgmEnTljWuPVIz Yis5RN3xaE/s+m1+egAY6T9hE3LLXeZfDL+HhmX0pupr19c6sS18sBrG2tAUBpNaGNCY vh3gNcV2wco43QeGfu6OtDJssd+l7EOSbL9Ac+xvKpXxhCqfVnaompua65O98nnxgfOp VFQ4okXSAB3/EqnLe8XjCVdmR+MOX6AljXIZ5CYl9BdFiC6YK3Swoo2d7qZh9EvfG29h zfeEdofFaVfWYVkUnIMMuKO79ZYgNFxj9Jj5MKgPOp9xCwVRzYZpsJHsr0UX7j3eOHFl kiWA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1Pok7UxFX2uSnwu6pO0liRgh8eRtJZY1oL9pxeWKJ1w=; b=M1dyoh4uX8MkclAkUcMBnIrLsoKQKcIji5w0rwNbLKSnnG5XAqnaFU5OoNbtoyXlmZ uEboTHwaa2x2MwXjIVkflMl4fQCkA9GqWKPNxzJvg77gJPalJ576meEjOXez+dYAfxTT Fk/sxLI2oqXvevyqQaRRS5tVypsG6my1+Tl+O84gavibM6EVlUaX/rrPM9rZNrPewOdT wg3Zh7tAZm+AnEC/DjxZeOmpXZKUXJ2clCLbXMChNuYFujvumI6Au6Dz2bVNKGWmcT55 GQKLpIG5mPWG4ztq8InTyBxhi0xdUBnkAxaQWQIjhY/BT6OYxmaB2xAtfylsWZyNsuTw yjOQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531zlvVklxXykZKLvMTCMAGh1psXF2GRsfLQZHW094d9r7urGGdx w5sF6IMD/1+mmHYv05jmIvttyxPfydowkj3cKDI=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzjRXfyEl3zZe9nMocZHzRdjqXkVyuPDsIHwUNfVn5ec3Wp6kEUoEcmlZad9S9ZUVeJGIWDNRUY4c63/xLKViM=
X-Received: by 2002:a6b:5a0d:: with SMTP id o13mr1797161iob.186.1600740675243; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 19:11:15 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <1574064611.80698.1600659049835@email.ionos.com> <18954096-962F-42B5-9EBB-7D36E193822F@comcast.com> <247435919.82471.1600732060907@email.ionos.com>
In-Reply-To: <247435919.82471.1600732060907@email.ionos.com>
From: Dick Franks <rwfranks@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 03:10:38 +0100
Message-ID: <CAKW6Ri785LFHBY-NvnNAYagXGbbwCouDR86sAUY1Po74ubgUCA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Timothy Mcsweeney <tim@dropnumber.com>
Cc: "Deen, Glenn" <Glenn_Deen@comcast.com>, "tlp-interest@ietf.org" <tlp-interest@ietf.org>, ietf <ietf@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000053510705afdd7b0c"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tlp-interest/phvS34pi4yYWRa7QVpGyILzIuCQ>
Subject: Re: [tlp-interest] Proposed Policy on Rights in IANA Parameter Registry Data
X-BeenThere: tlp-interest@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Discussion of proposed revisions to the Trust Legal Provisions <tlp-interest.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/tlp-interest>, <mailto:tlp-interest-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tlp-interest/>
List-Post: <mailto:tlp-interest@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tlp-interest-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tlp-interest>, <mailto:tlp-interest-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 02:11:17 -0000

On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 00:47, Timothy Mcsweeney <tim@dropnumber.com> wrote:

> Hi Glenn,
>
> >Especially when you consider that so far not a single reason has been
> raised against the proposed action.
>
> Allow me to be the first.
>
> Attempting to wipe away someone copyrights by merely saying so seems a bit
> agressive to me.  Then to not give others a informed opportunity to open
> source or license those copyrights before the change is made seems even
> more aggressive.  But to give away someones copyrights to the general
> public without even attempted contact seems to me, most agessive.  Aren't
> the people in those registries your customers?  I have copywritten material
> on those registries and I was nt under any obligation to give up copyrights
> when a submission was made, nor am I in any particular hurry to do so.  Or
> perhaps this is just for submissions going forward, is that right?
>

Protocol registries are analogous to telephone directories.
The US Supreme Court held that white page directories are not entitled to
copyright, overturning the decisions of the District Court and Court of
Appeals.

*Feist Publications, Incorporated v. Rural Telephone Service Company,
Incorporated*, 499 U.S. 340 (1991).