Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags
Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net> Mon, 22 March 2021 14:05 UTC
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 07:04:39 -0700
From: Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net>
To: Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
Cc: Victor Vasiliev <vasilvv@google.com>, "tls-reg-review@ietf.org" <tls-reg-review@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-tls-cross-sni-resumption@ietf.org, TLS Chairs <tls-chairs@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags
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On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, at 9:57 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: > You mean add the cross_sni_resumption value to the tlsflags draft? I don't think that was the suggestion. I understand the proposal to be: 1. tls-flags owns the registry and its initial contents, and it's initially empty empty. 2. cross-sni-resumption defines the first registry value for tls-flags, with value 8. Did I misunderstand? If not, would that work? Best, Chris > Sure. We can do that, if we’re sure that the cross-sni-resumption draft > is getting approved in this form. I don’t think there has been a WGLC > for it yet. > > Also, section 4.1 of the TLSFLAGS draft has this advice: > > 4.1. Guidance for IANA Experts > > This extension allows up to 2040 flags. However, they are not all > the same, because the length of the extension is determined by the > highest set bit. > > We would like to allocate the flags in such a way that the typical > extension is as short as possible. The scenario we want to guard > against is that in a few years some extension is defined that all > implementations need to support and that is assigned a high number > because all of the lower numbers have already been allocated. An > example of such an extension is the Renegotiation Indication > Extension defined in [RFC5746]. > > For this reason, the IANA experts should allocate the flags as > follows: > > o Flags 0-7 are reserved for documents coming out of the TLS working > group with a specific request to assign a low number. > > o Flags 8-31 are for standards-track documents that the experts > believe will see wide adoption among either all users of TLS or a > significant group of TLS users. For example, an extension that > will be used by all web clients or all smart objects. > > o Flags 32-63 are for other documents, including experimental, that > are likely to see significant adoption. > > o Flags 64-79 are not to be allocated. They are for reserved for > private use. > > o Flags 80-2039 can be used for temporary allocation in experiments, > for flags that are likely to see use only in very specific > environments, for national and corporate extensions, and as > overflow, in case one of the previous categories has been > exhausted. > > > So IMO this is more fitting to receive the number 8 rather than the > number 1. That is, unless the WG wants to make the case that this flag > extension is going to be present in most ClientHello messages from now > on. > > Yoav > > > On 19 Mar 2021, at 22:38, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> wrote: > > > > The draft that creates the registry owns the initial registry contents > > until the registry itself is created. > > > > So, just put the value in the draft's source, and try to avoid re-using a > > number for different things during the draft's time as a draft. > > > > -Ben > > > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 01:26:10PM -0700, Christopher Wood wrote: > >> + tls-reg-review > >> > >> Good question! Since this is a new registry, I don't see any problem with grabbing 1 to populate it. The registry experts may have a better answer though. > >> > >> Best, > >> Chris > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021, at 5:06 PM, Victor Vasiliev wrote: > >>> Do I actually get to just use 1, or do I need to ask you to do the > >>> early allocation process? > >>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 9:50 PM Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net> wrote: > >>>> Friendly bump! > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2021, at 7:52 AM, Christopher Wood wrote: > >>>>> Hi Victor, > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2021, at 7:39 AM, Victor Vasiliev wrote: > >>>>>> Hi Chris, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This makes sense. I will update the draft some time after the upcoming > >>>>>> IETF. Do you want to just add a codepoint reserved for cross-domain > >>>>>> resumption into the draft, or how does that work? > >>>>> > >>>>> Good question. I suspect your draft would just add, in the IANA > >>>>> considerations section, something like this: > >>>>> > >>>>> ~~~ > >>>>> This document requests that IANA create a new entry in "TLS Flags" > >>>>> registry with the following parameters: > >>>>> > >>>>> - Value: 1 > >>>>> - Flag Name: "cross_sni_resumption" (or whatever you want to name it) > >>>>> - Message: NewSessionTicket > >>>>> - Recommended: Y > >>>>> - Reference: This document > >>>>> ~~~ > >>>>> > >>>>> (See https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tls-tlsflags-04#section-4) > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> (sorry for late response, just noticed the part about the draft submission deadline) > >>>>> > >>>>> No problem! > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> Chris > >>>>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tls-reg-review mailing list > >> tls-reg-review@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls-reg-review > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tls-reg-review mailing list > > tls-reg-review@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls-reg-review >
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Christopher Wood
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Yoav Nir
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Christopher Wood
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Yoav Nir
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Christopher Wood
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Christopher Wood
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Sean Turner
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Yoav Nir
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Yoav Nir
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Victor Vasiliev
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Yoav Nir
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Christopher Wood
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Victor Vasiliev
- Re: [Tls-reg-review] Adopting tls-flags Yoav Nir