Re: [Tls-reg-review] Early code points for ECH

Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 27 May 2020 16:32 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tls-reg-review] Early code points for ECH
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Any experimental extension should use something from the private use range.  For extensions that is 65282-65535.

The problem is when people want to keep their extension number after standardization so they squat on code points.

> On 27 May 2020, at 1:24, Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net> wrote:
> 
> That's a good question. It seems we should have a documented policy or strategy for "extension experiments." (If there is one, I've either not seen it or [more likely] forgotten about it!)
> 
> On Tue, May 26, 2020, at 3:21 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
>> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 02:44:25PM -0700, Christopher Wood wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> I'd like to kick off the early codepoint allocation process for ECH. We have two extensions that need codepoints. Based on the existing registry, I chose the next two unassigned values and proposed them in this PR:
>> 
>> Not really relevant to the current request, but I wonder whether the
>> experts have opinions on sequential allocation vs. random allocation.
>> 
>> -Ben
>> 
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