Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted

Artyom Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> Thu, 15 March 2018 02:52 UTC

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From: Artyom Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 02:52:17 +0000
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Subject: Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted
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14 Mar. 2018 г., 22:32 Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com>;:

>
> On Mar 13, 2018, at 7:45 PM, Artyom Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com>;
> wrote:
>
> 13 Mar. 2018 г., 18:38 Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>;:
>
>> One strategy that's very effective for overcoming resistance to bad ideas
>> is to keep pushing the idea until nobody who's resisting it can afford to
>> continue doing so.
>>
>
> There's a name for that tactics, it's called "consensus by exhaustion".
> (On the recent GNSO meeting this was briefly discussed as an issue within
> ICANN.)
>
> And there is a name for this sort of labeling - it's called an "ad hominem
> attack".  I don't believe anyone is employing "consensus by exhaustion".
> Please don't attach unwarranted labels to honest attempts to explain
> requirements and develop solutions.
>

I didn't! Ted has just pointed out that there's some strategy which is by
the way effective under some circumstances, and I've just recalled it has a
name. No labels attached!