Re: [TLS] Publication of draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility-00

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Tue, 24 October 2017 17:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] Publication of draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility-00
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Joe,

On 24/10/17 17:49, Joseph Salowey wrote:
> As is normal
> IETF practice, we will be giving this topic agenda time in Singapore to see
> if a consensus emerges one way or the other.

I would ask that you, as chairs, reconsider that. While I
do have strong opinions, the list traffic seems to me to
have been extremely clear on this draft and on this overall
topic. Personally, given recent traffic, and the clear lack
of consensus to even discuss the basic proposition of snooping,
I can't see agenda time for this as being other that a waste
of time. (Again.)

S.