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Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: I'm no longer sure that consensus can be achieved based on deployment so far: https://www.netmeister.org/blog/pqc-use-2026-02.html Alternatively, if NIST could support hybrids officially, a lot of the current issues would go away ?