Re: [TLS] History of extensions
Marsh Ray <marsh@extendedsubset.com> Thu, 12 November 2009 07:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] History of extensions
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Martin Rex wrote:
> That is wrong. The SSLv3 spec has the exact same provisions for
> TLS extensions as the TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1 specs.
>
> TLS extensions became a standard part of the protocol in TLSv1.2 only.
>
> Compare the specs and you will see.
Very enlightening, it's even more complicated than you said. No wonder
these things don't interoperate quite so well.
Here's what I find:
SSL 3.0 draft-freier-ssl-version3-02.txt
"In the interests of forward compatibility, it is
permitted for a client hello message to include
extra data after the compression methods."
RFC 2246 TLS 1.0 (Jan 1999)
"In the interests of forward compatibility, it is permitted for a
client hello message to include extra data after the compression
methods. This data must be included in the handshake hashes, but
must otherwise be ignored. This is the only handshake message for
which this is legal; for all other messages, the amount of data
in the message must match the description of the message precisely."
RFC 3546 TLS Extensions (June 2003)
Updates 2246 (TLS 1.0)
"The extensions described in this document may be used by TLS 1.0
clients and TLS 1.0 servers. The extensions are designed to be
backwards compatible - meaning that TLS 1.0 clients that support the
extensions can talk to TLS 1.0 servers that do not support the
extensions, and vice versa."
"Note that the extended server hello message is only sent in response
to an extended client hello message. This prevents the possibility
that the extended server hello message could "break" existing TLS 1.0
clients"
"The extended server hello message format MAY be sent in place of the
server hello message when the client has requested extended
functionality via the extended client hello message"
RFC 4346 TLS 1.1 (April 2006)
"In the interests of forward
compatibility, it is permitted that a client hello message include
extra data after the compression methods. This data MUST be included
in the handshake hashes, but must otherwise be ignored. This is the
only handshake message for which this is legal; for all other
messages, the amount of data in the message MUST match the
description of the message precisely.
RFC 4366 TLS Extensions (April 2006)
Updates 4346 (TLS 1.1)
"The document therefore updates TLS 1.0 [TLS] and TLS 1.1"
"The extended server hello message format MAY be sent in place of the
server hello message when the client has requested extended
functionality via the extended client hello message"
RFC 5246 TLS 1.2
"Clients MAY request extended functionality from servers by sending
data in the extensions field. The actual "Extension" format is
defined in Section 7.4.1.4."
"[server] A list of extensions. Note that only extensions offered
by the client can appear in the server's list."
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My interpretation:
SSL 3.0 Allows room at the end of Client Hello for extra data.
Is silent on extra data after Server Hello.
No standard defines anything to be passed here.
TLS 1.0 Allows room at the end of Client Hello for extra data
Forbids extra data after Server Hello.
Possibly went four years with no extensions defined,
so early implementations were untested in this.
June 2003
RFC 3546 Uses room defined in TLS 1.0 to grow ClientHello into
ExtendedClientHello.
Defines a new ExtendedServerHello message without assigning
it a new HandshakeType. This is probably OK. SSL proxying
and monitoring may have been confused by this contradiction
of the spec with no version number bump.
TLS 1.1 Reiterates that only ClientHello can have extra data.
No provision for ExtendedServerHello.
RFC 4366 Updates TLS 1.0 and 1.1 to re-allow extensions.
This was simultaneous to 1.1 spec, so just an update.
TLS 1.2 Defines extensions as part of the main TLS spec.
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Conclusions:
Nothing defines extensions for SSL 3.0, how such servers will react when
sent extra ClientHello data is somewhat unpredictable.
Perfectly-conforming implmentations since spec of Jan 1999 should, in
theory, not be broken.
In practice, TLS server implementations designed before about 2004
probably had no compliant clients with which to test that would send any
data after the traditional ClientHello. Such systems probably shipped
for quite some time afterwards. For example, all pre-Vista Windows OS's
may be in this category based on design date.
There are a large number of TLS implementations that are not currently
extension-aware which will have to retrofit at least primitive support
in order to benefit from this security fix.
- Marsh
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - current summary of semantic… Pasi.Eronen
- [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello instead… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… David-Sarah Hopwood
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… David-Sarah Hopwood
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… David-Sarah Hopwood
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… David-Sarah Hopwood
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… David-Sarah Hopwood
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Michael D'Errico
- [TLS] TLSrenego - current summary of semantics an… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - current summary of semantic… Steve Dispensa
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - current summary of semantic… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - current summary of semantic… Yair Elharrar
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - current summary of semantic… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - current summary of semantic… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - current summary of semantic… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - current summary of semantic… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - current summary of semantic… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - current summary of semantic… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - current summary of semantic… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Yair Elharrar
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Yair Elharrar
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Rob P Williams
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Rob P Williams
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] History of extensions Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] History of extensions Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] History of extensions Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] History of extensions Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] History of extensions Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] History of extensions Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Protected Renegotiation -- refined proposal Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Protected Renegotiation -- refined prop… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] History of extensions Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Dr Stephen Henson
- Re: [TLS] History of extensions Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Protected Renegotiation -- refined prop… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] History of extensions Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] History of extensions Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] History of extensions Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Nasko Oskov
- Re: [TLS] History of extensions Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Nelson B Bolyard
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Nelson B Bolyard
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? David-Sarah Hopwood
- Re: [TLS] History of extensions Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Protected Renegotiation -- refined prop… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] History of extensions Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] History of extensions David-Sarah Hopwood
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? David-Sarah Hopwood
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Martin Rex
- [TLS] A crazy idea Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] A crazy idea Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Nelson B Bolyard
- Re: [TLS] A crazy idea Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Protected Renegotiation -- refined prop… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] A crazy idea Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
- Re: [TLS] A not-so crazy idea Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] TLSrenego - possibilities, suggestion f… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] A not-so crazy idea Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] A not-so crazy idea Yair Elharrar
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] A not-so crazy idea Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Nelson B Bolyard
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] assert TLSext in renego-ServerHello ins… Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] Redefine Finished message for TLS 1.3 ? Nelson Bolyard