Re: [TLS] Summarizing identity change discussion so far

David-Sarah Hopwood <david-sarah@jacaranda.org> Fri, 18 December 2009 05:48 UTC

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Kyle Hamilton wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:13 AM,  <Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com> wrote:
>> (wearing Area Director hat)
>>
>> - We recommend that TLS libraries SHOULD provide identity matching
>> (with memcmp, abort handshake if changed) functionality to
>> applications, and SHOULD allow applications to enable/disable this
>> functionality.
> 
> No, identity matching SHOULD be done in accordance with PKIX.

Strongly disagree. If implementations try to do identity matching that
is any more complicated than memcmp then they *will* get it wrong; see
<http://www.ioactive.com/pdfs/PKILayerCake.pdf> for evidence.

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