Re: [TLS] chairs - please shutdown wiretapping discussion...

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Mon, 10 July 2017 19:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] chairs - please shutdown wiretapping discussion...
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On 10/07/17 17:42, Colm MacCárthaigh wrote:
> It's clear that there is a strong distaste here for the kind of MITM being
> talked about

It is not (only) "distaste," it is IETF policy as a result of
a significant debate on wiretapping.

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