Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox robustness
Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com> Wed, 08 November 2017 00:06 UTC
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From: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox robustness
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FWIW: In my experience middleboxes don't ossify based on what the spec says, they ossify based on what they see on the wire. So, if common implementations send CCS in a particular way, that's what will get --- and, I'll argue, what has gotten --- ossified. I also agree with David and Eric that compatibility mode shouldn't be required because QUIC doesn't need it. On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote: > >> ➢ Given that we're almost there, and that only really browsers are >> asking for these hacks, and that even some of those were almost ready >> to ship without these hacks, I don't think that this is entirely >> unrealistic as an aspiration. >> >> The Internet is more than just a couple of browser executables. >> >> Does nobody think of the servers? >> > > I do, but I don't really see how they're relevant for this question. Don't > the servers control the middleboxes they are behind? > > -Ekr > > > > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list > TLS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls > >
- [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox robus… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Yuhong Bao
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Jana Iyengar
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Tapio Sokura
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Yuhong Bao
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Yuhong Bao
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Yuhong Bao
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Yuhong Bao
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Alex C
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PR#1091: Changes to provide middlebox r… Alex C