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[TLS] Re: FATT Process

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Wed, 04 September 2024 18:22 UTC

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On 9/4/24 18:03, Joseph Salowey wrote:
> [Joe] As you say if all the reviewers are fine with being identified then
> they could be identified in the usual manner.  That is not the situation we
> are in right now.

Perhaps fixing that would be a good next step then? I.e. maybe
try see if a panel can be filled who'd be comfortable having
their reviews made accountable? Seems like that'd be the easiest
fix, if it's possible. And if it's really not, then perhaps the
entire panel idea needs a more fundamental revisit.

Cheers,
S.

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