Re: [TLS] Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-tls-grease-03: (with COMMENT)

Benjamin Kaduk <> Fri, 16 August 2019 03:39 UTC

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On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 08:57:43AM -0700, Mirja Kühlewind via Datatracker wrote:
> Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-tls-grease-03: No Objection
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> Sorry one more comment/question I forgot earlier: Why is this document
> informational? Shouldn't it be at least experimental?

I added a note to the shepherd writeup's "intended document status" entry:

AD NOTE: Note that this has been successfully deployed for
over a year; it's not really an "experiment" anymore but rather
a useful thing that people do, both in TLS and elsewhere.  This
is informational in the sense that "here is a thing you can do,
and some information about why you might want to do it".  There's
no real protocol -- you send some codepoints and expect the other
endpoint to not change behavior as a result -- so it doesn't make sense
as a proposed standard.  I suppose one could argue that it is a BCP
since it is for the health of the ecosystem, but that does not really
feel like a good match.  So to me, Informational is the right status.