Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA should die
Geoffrey Keating <geoffk@geoffk.org> Mon, 13 April 2015 23:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA should die
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Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> writes: > > On Apr 14, 2015, at 12:09 AM, Geoffrey Keating <geoffk@geoffk.org> wrote: > > In particular I don't think we've simplified anything if > > implementations have to have a list of invalid combinations, or have > > to know that certain ciphers are to be used only with matching key > > exchange algorithms (for example, use the GOST key exchange with the > > GOST symmetric cipher). > > Why? There’s nothing invalid about using Curve25519 key exchange > with an RSA certificate and GOST symmetric ciphers, so TLS should > not provide this. Requiring all three things to be GOST is a policy > decision that can and should be part of server (and perhaps client) > configuration. It seems like that would be an interoperability issue if the server and client disagree on the policy to apply.
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- Re: [TLS] DSA should die Michael StJohns
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Michael StJohns
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Brian Smith
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Tony Arcieri
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Dave Garrett
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Aaron Zauner
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Dave Garrett
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Tony Arcieri
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Brian Smith
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Tony Arcieri
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Brian Sniffen
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Negotiate only symmetric cipher via cip… Dave Garrett
- Re: [TLS] Negotiate only symmetric cipher via cip… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Aaron Zauner
- Re: [TLS] Negotiate only symmetric cipher via cip… Dave Garrett
- Re: [TLS] Negotiate only symmetric cipher via cip… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] Negotiate only symmetric cipher via cip… Dave Garrett
- Re: [TLS] Negotiate only symmetric cipher via cip… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] Negotiate only symmetric cipher via cip… Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] Negotiate only symmetric cipher via cip… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] Negotiate only symmetric cipher via cip… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Negotiate only symmetric cipher via cip… Dave Garrett
- Re: [TLS] Negotiate only symmetric cipher via cip… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] Negotiate only symmetric cipher via cip… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Negotiate only symmetric cipher via cip… Dmitry Belyavsky
- Re: [TLS] Negotiate only symmetric cipher via cip… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Geoffrey Keating
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Geoffrey Keating
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Brian Smith
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Brian Smith
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Dave Garrett
- Re: [TLS] Negotiate only symmetric cipher via cip… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Ala Carte Cipher suites - was: DSA shou… Yoav Nir