Re: [TLS] [OPSAWG] CALL FOR ADOPTION: draft-reddy-opsawg-mud-tls

Michael Richardson <> Thu, 10 September 2020 15:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] [OPSAWG] CALL FOR ADOPTION: draft-reddy-opsawg-mud-tls
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On 2020-09-02 11:05 a.m., Joe Clarke (jclarke) wrote:
> Hello, opsawg.  This draft as underwent a number of revisions based on reviews and presentations at the last few IETF meetings.  The authors feel they have addressed the issues and concerns from the WG in their latest posted -05 revision.  As a reminder, this document describes how to use (D)TLS profile parameters with MUD to expose potential unauthorized software or malware on an endpoint.
> To that end, this serves as a two-week call for adoption for this work.  Please reply with your support and/or comments by September 16, 2020.

I have read the document in a number of different revisions, and I 
support adoption.

I have been concerned that this document codifies a kind of TLS snooping 
by middle boxes which has in the past caused significant harm to 
development of TLS. (In particular, TLS version negotiation has had to 
evade existing middle box policies!)

However,  this document seems to walk the fine line between causing 
protocol ossification and providing real security.  To the extent that 
it reduces the pressure by enterprises to invade the TLS encryption 
envelope through use of Enterprise certificates [is there a term for the 
activity describe in section 4.1? I wish there was] this document is a 
very useful thing.

I would like to suggest that upon adoption, that this document go 
through a TLS WG review of some sort before OPSAWG does a WGLC.