Re: [TLS] adopted: draft-ghedini-tls-certificate-compression

Hanno Böck <hanno@hboeck.de> Tue, 06 June 2017 14:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] adopted: draft-ghedini-tls-certificate-compression
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On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:20:03 +0200
Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote:

> I appears that we’ve got enough consensus/interest to adopt
> draft-ghedini-tls-certificate-compression-00 based on the WG session
> in Chicago and this thread:

Hi,

one aspects brought up in that thread was that there is already RFC
7924, which allows certificate caching. There's also AIA, which allows
a client to fetch intermediate certificates, however as far as I can
see there's no way for a server to decide whether a client supports AIA.

All of these technologies seem to try to tackle the same problem:
reduce the burden of transmitting certificates.

I wonder if there should be more a big picture discussion here. If
clients have a good way of caching certificates - would that mean
transmitting them is so rare that compressing becomes unnecessary?

Also regarding 7924: I tried to find out what server and client software
supports that. I didn't find anything. One could see that as an
indication that it's not a big deal after all. If people are concerned
about the data wasted by transmitting certificates, I wonder if it
wouldn't be a more important issue to implement the already existing
tech that's available instead of inventing new tech.


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