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Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO

Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net> Thu, 21 May 2020 19:47 UTC

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Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:46:23 -0700
From: Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO
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To make it official, here's a PR making that change:

   https://github.com/tlswg/draft-ietf-tls-esni/pull/236

Please have a look. I'll merge in the next day or so.

Thanks!
Chris (no hat)

On Thu, May 21, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Sean Turner wrote:
>  Okay let’s call this done! ECH it is.
> 
> spt
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 21, 2020, at 11:53, Erik Nygren <erik+ietf@nygren.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Are there any objections to "ECH" or should we just go with that?
> > (I'd like to update the parameter name in SRVB/HTTPSSVC accordingly based on what gets decided.)
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:37 PM Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> wrote:
> >> ECH is good. Go for it!
> >> 
> >> Tommy
> >> 
> >>> On May 20, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Erik Nygren <erik+ietf@nygren.org <mailto:erik%2Bietf@nygren.org>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> ECH works for me. (I really don't care between ECH and ETCH and thing both are fine.)
> >>> 
> >>>  Erik
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:20 PM Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net> wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, May 19, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Filippo Valsorda wrote:
> >>>>  > As a data point, I was fairly confused when ECHO came up in 
> >>>>  > conversation, and had to stop to ask what it was. I think I would have 
> >>>>  > had a better chance of figuring it out from context or search if it 
> >>>>  > were called ECH, but don't have a strong preference for any specific 
> >>>>  > name.
> >>>>  > 
> >>>>  > ECH does have a remarkable short Wikipedia disambiguation list, FWIW. 
> >>>>  > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECH
> >>>> 
> >>>>  ECH also works for me.
> >>>> 
> >>>>  Best,
> >>>>  Chris (no hat)
> >>>> 
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