Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-ietf-tls-oldversions-deprecate-09.txt> (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

Ted Lemon <> Sat, 05 December 2020 01:32 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-ietf-tls-oldversions-deprecate-09.txt> (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice
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On Dec 4, 2020, at 19:17, Nick Hilliard <> wrote:
> people don't necessarily buy stuff that's not ungradeable.  They buy stuff which has a support lifetime of finite duration.

Same thing. If you’re serious about business continuity, you have an arrangement with the vendor about what happens if they go out of business, and you have an agreement about how long support will last and what it consists of.

Of course no product has infinite lifetime, but lots of iot stuff is expected to be in the walls for 30 years. Radiology equipment lasts decades. Etc. 

It’s really natural to think of stuff you buy as being stable and solid, but when there’s software in it, this cognitive bias requires serious systems thinking to avoid.