Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-rc4-01.txt
Bodo Moeller <bmoeller@acm.org> Thu, 02 October 2014 14:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-rc4-01.txt
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One technical issue here is that we keep updating specs that are also (supposedly) "obsolete". I.e., "If you do that thing that you're not supposed to do, here's how". It seems to me that having a bit of a gray area then is unavoidable ... and often you *do* need some latitude in backwards-compatible cases, assuming you support these to achieve backwards-compatibility. (www.microsoft.com, for example, does allow RC4 cipher suites when using TLS 1.0, which would be incompatible with that MUST NOT, since it expressly applies to TLS 1.0 too.) If the spec isn't aligned with reality, that's a bit of a problem. You shouldn't have to interpret a MUST NOT as a SHOULD NOT. Maybe the spec should have strict MUST NOT requirements for TLS 1.2, but make mere recommendations for the legacy protocols? (As mentioned before, it would be good to also document that various other ciphers like RC2 also aren't a good idea to use, even which TLS 1.1 which has them in the spec.) Bodo
- [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-rc4-… internet-drafts
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Hanno Böck
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Alyssa Rowan
- [TLS] adopting ChaCha20 as a WG item was: I-D Act… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] adopting ChaCha20 as a WG item was: I-D… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] adopting ChaCha20 as a WG item was: I-D… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [TLS] adopting ChaCha20 as a WG item was: I-D… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Geoffrey Keating
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] why Chacha20-SHA1 was: adopting ChaCha20 as… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] why Chacha20-SHA1 was: adopting ChaCha2… Joachim Strömbergson
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] why Chacha20-SHA1 was: adopting ChaCha2… Brian Smith
- Re: [TLS] why Chacha20-SHA1 was: adopting ChaCha2… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… James Cloos
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Paul Lambert
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Ryan Carboni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Carl S. Gutekunst
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… James Cloos
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Ralph Holz
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Ronald del Rosario
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Chris Newman
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Ryan Carboni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Ryan Carboni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Paterson, Kenny
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Hubert Kario
- [TLS] Fw: I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0558 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Stephen Checkoway
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Geoffrey Keating
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0558 - MITLL