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Re: [TLS] An SCSV to stop TLS fallback.

Adam Langley <agl@google.com> Wed, 04 December 2013 19:20 UTC

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From: Adam Langley <agl@google.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:19:49 -0500
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To: Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard <mpg@elzevir.fr>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] An SCSV to stop TLS fallback.
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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard <mpg@elzevir.fr> wrote:
> Unless I'm mistaken, the problem TLS_FALLBACK_SCSV tries to adress is not
> servers that don't implement version negotiation correctly, but MITM actively
> doing a downgrade attack (and faulty middleboxes, which have the same effect).

I think the chain of sadness goes like this:

1) Some servers don't implement version negotiation correctly, or have
other bugs that happen to be solved by using SSLv3.
2) Therefore some clients implement fallback
3) Therefore attackers can trigger fallback even with correct servers.

The MITM proxies that also had downgrade bugs caused issues with a
Chrome experiment where we removed SSLv3 fallback for Google
properties because it looked, to the client, like an attack. But,
since it's a MITM proxy, it's an attack that the user has authorised.


Cheers

AGL

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