[TLS] RNG vs. PRNG
Michael D'Errico <mike-list@pobox.com> Tue, 27 April 2010 00:54 UTC
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Subject: [TLS] RNG vs. PRNG
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Here are all the places within my code that generate random
values and whether they are purely random or pseudo-random
(via a CPRNG):
RNG generate RSA premaster secrets
RNG generate encryption key and HMAC secret used
for session ticket protection
CPRNG generate (part of) session IDs
CPRNG generate initialization vectors
CPRNG generate hello random values
CPRNG generate random premaster secret in server (as
part of defense against Bleichenbacher attack
and version rollback detection)
These last two are debatable. Marsh would have the hello
randoms be purely random, not just unpredictable, and the
OpenSSL implementation uses a CPRNG for the last one, but
has a note that it /should/ use an RNG.
IANAC, but wonder why the hello randoms would need to be purely
random, versus just unpredictable, since they go over the wire
in the clear?
Also, does anyone know why the random premaster secret should
be generated with a real RNG versus a CPRNG?
Thanks,
Mike
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Russ Housley
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Kemp, David P.
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Nicolas Williams
- [TLS] RNG vs. PRNG Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Kemp, David P.
- Re: [TLS] RNG vs. PRNG Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] RNG vs. PRNG Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] RNG vs. PRNG Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] RNG vs. PRNG Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Sean Turner