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Re: [TLS] ETSI releases standards for enterprise security and data centre management

Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Sun, 02 December 2018 01:43 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] ETSI releases standards for enterprise security and data centre management
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On 12/1/2018 11:14 AM, Tony Rutkowski wrote:
>
> The eTLS use case is an enterprise network or data center that is
> owned or dedicated and under the control of a company (e.g., a
> financial institution) or government agency that is subject to
> compliance obligations that require auditing and traffic monitoring
> capabilities for their systems and users.  This relatively bounded use
> case should be kept in mind here.  The associated tutorial is
> helpful. 
> https://www.etsi.org/news-events/events/1338-2018-10-webinar-middlebox-security-protocol-explained
>

Which reinforces the idea that these "enhancements" have no legitimate
reason to be found "in the wild", and hence should be treated as errors
when detected.

-- Christian Huitema

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