Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 certificate delegation?
Michael D'Errico <mike-list@pobox.com> Fri, 08 November 2013 19:26 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 certificate delegation?
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Johannes Merkle wrote: >>> FWIW, there's precedent for using new TLS versions to expand the set >>> of allowable certificates. If I"m reading it correctly, TLS 1.2 >>> allows ECDSA certificates that are signed with RSA; TLS 1.1 and below >>> will reject those. >> TLSv1.1 will certainly not reject those. >> It is only rfc4492 that incorrectly alleges that those should be rejected. > > I think you are wrong: Section 7.4.2 of RFC 4346 states > > Unless otherwise specified, the signing > algorithm for the certificate MUST be the same as the algorithm > for the certificate key. > > > Section 7.4.2 of RFC 5246 states > Note > that this implies that a certificate containing a key for one > signature algorithm MAY be signed using a different signature > algorithm (for instance, an RSA key signed with a DSA key). This is > a departure from TLS 1.1, which required that the algorithms be the > same. I don't believe that there was ever a requirement for a client to reject a certificate chain based on the signature algorithms. The requirement is for what a server must send to the client when it has no knowledge about the client's capabilities. The cipher suite list sent by a client provides a hint at its capabilities, but it was made explicit in TLS 1.2. It would be a bad idea to send an RSA key signed with ECDSA, for example, without knowing that the client can handle ECDSA. That is the purpose of the signature_algorithms extension. If a client were to receive a certificate containing an RSA key that is signed by ECDSA, and it happens to know how to validate ECDSA, there is no reason to abort the connection. Mike
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- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 certificate delegation? Carl Wallace
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- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 certificate delegation? Andy Lutomirski
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 certificate delegation? Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 certificate delegation? Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 certificate delegation? Johannes Merkle
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 certificate delegation? Johannes Merkle
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 certificate delegation? Andy Lutomirski
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 certificate delegation? Andy Lutomirski
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