Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuites
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 21 August 2018 17:57 UTC
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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:56:28 -0400
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Subject: Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuites
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What kind of bandwidth are we talking about here? Also, could you answer my question about IPsec? On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Jack Visoky <jmvisoky@ra.rockwell.com> wrote: > Hi Ted, > > > > A few points: > > > > 1. Don’t assume there is any browser involved. There is often no > browser. > > 2. Even if there is a browser (and see point 1 before assuming) any > HTTP communication would be at a much much slower rate than machine to > machine I/O > > > > Hope that clears it up. > > > > Thanks and Best Regards, > > > > --Jack > > > > *From:* Ted Lemon [mailto:mellon@fugue.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 21, 2018 1:39 PM > *To:* Jack Visoky <jmvisoky@ra.rockwell.com> > *Cc:* Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; Fries, Steffen < > steffen.fries@siemens.com>; ncamwing=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org; > tls@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuites > > > > If the device implements the cipher so as to talk to the browser, it's > clearly capable of implementing the cipher... > > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Jack Visoky <jmvisoky@ra.rockwell.com> > wrote: > > Hi Rich, > > > > I’m not sure if I’m following the question, but what was meant was that > these ciphers are generally NOT used for browser access. Machine to > machine communication usually does not involve a browser. Apologies if > I’ve misunderstood the question. > > > > Thanks and Best Regards, > > > > --Jack > > > > *From:* TLS [mailto:tls-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Salz, Rich > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 21, 2018 1:12 PM > *To:* Fries, Steffen <steffen.fries@siemens.com> > *Cc:* ncamwing=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org; tls@ietf.org > *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites > > > > [Use caution with links & attachments] > > > > Now I think I am as confused as Stephen and others. > > > > One justification was “small footprint.” But now you’re saying that for > debugging encryption (standard?) ciphers are used for browser access? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list > TLS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls > > >
- [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Jack Visoky
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Mike Bishop
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Judson Wilson
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Geoffrey Keating
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Lyndon Nerenberg
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Judson Wilson
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Judson Wilson
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Andreas Walz
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Jack Visoky
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Jack Visoky
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Fries, Steffen
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Fries, Steffen
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Fries, Steffen
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Jack Visoky
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Jack Visoky
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Jack Visoky
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Jack Visoky
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Jack Visoky
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Jack Visoky
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] null auth ciphers for TLS 1.3? Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] null auth ciphers for TLS 1.3? Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] null auth ciphers for TLS 1.3? David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] null auth ciphers for TLS 1.3? Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] raw public keys in the wild? Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] raw public keys in the wild? Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] null auth ciphers for TLS 1.3? Wang Haiguang
- Re: [TLS] null auth ciphers for TLS 1.3? Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] EXTERNAL: Re: integrity only ciphersuit… Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [TLS] integrity only ciphersuites Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [TLS] raw public keys in the wild? Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] raw public keys in the wild? Viktor Dukhovni