[TLS] Re: draft-kwiatkowski-tls-ecdhe-mlkem and P-384

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Fri, 06 September 2024 15:20 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Alicja Kario <hkario@redhat.com>, Kris Kwiatkowski <kris@amongbytes.com>, "tls@ietf.org" <tls@ietf.org>
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Subject: [TLS] Re: draft-kwiatkowski-tls-ecdhe-mlkem and P-384
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> What's the situation with other groups for TLS 1.3?
> Specifically, are there any plans to specify SecP384r1MLKEM1024?

This draft was a merger of two drafts because one of the TLS Registry experts asked if they could do so.

I agree that P384 is probably of interest to many people, and it would be cleanest to add it into the draft, assuming the mechanism is very similar to P256.