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Re: [TLS] Collisions (Re: Nico's suggestions - Re: Consensus Call:

"Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com> Tue, 11 May 2010 18:12 UTC

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From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
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David and all,

  Well said and fully agreed!  But as you likely know
too many are not yet ready for prime time.


-----Original Message-----
>From: "Kemp, David P." <DPKemp@missi.ncsc.mil>
>Sent: May 11, 2010 1:03 PM
>To: tls@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: [TLS] Collisions (Re: Nico's suggestions - Re: Consensus Call:
>
>This sounds like a general problem unrelated to caching.
>
>If a non-browser app cannot recover from failures, what happens when a
>bit error gets through multiple layers of detection and correction, or a
>DSL connection dies and restarts?   "Stuff happens" all the time, and
>humans know how to hit the "retry" button.  An unattended application
>that doesn't know how to recover from unexplained errors is not ready
>for prime time.
>
>Dave
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nicolas Williams
>
>That's what I expect as well, that handshake failure is not transparent
>to _all_ applications, and that any retry logic will have to be in the
>application.  That makes this protocol a bit problematic -- failures
>will be rare, no doubt, so rare that we might not care, but when they
>happen the application won't know that the failure is not permanent.
>For browsers that may not be a problem (the user will just reload); for
>non-browser apps (and scripts running in the browser!) this could be a
>problem.
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