[TLS] Re: Do we really update RFC 8422 in 8446-bis?

Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> Fri, 30 May 2025 18:33 UTC

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Since It’s an obsoletes I can get behind that.  No need to drop the Updates header.

spt

> On May 30, 2025, at 13:27, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
> 
> My general view is that we should treat this RFC as replacing 8446 and so whatever should have appeared in 8446 is what should appear here.
> 
> I'm certainly open to the argument that 8446 got these headers wrong, and it's not clear to me that there is a right answer.
> 
> -Ekr
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 30, 2025 at 9:29 AM Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com <mailto:sean@sn3rd.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2025, at 12:08, Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org <mailto:40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm certainly not here to defend the distinctions between Updates and Obsoletes, etc.
>>>  
>>> Ah yeah, I remember those discussions …
>>>  
>>> The 8422 change is new to RFC 8446bis, so we need to address that now.
>>>  
>>> Remove the reference.
>> 
>> Since RFC 8446 updated four RFCs, 5705, 6066, 7627, 8422, and this one obsoletes RFC 8446 should we just drop Updates column entirely? NOTE: This was a comment I got from the IESG on -rfc8447bis; granted its and updated and not an obsoletes.
>> 
>> spt
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