Re: [TLS] Publication of draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility-00

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Mon, 23 October 2017 18:38 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:38:29 -0400
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To: "Ackermann, Michael" <MAckermann@bcbsm.com>
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On Oct 23, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Ackermann, Michael <MAckermann@bcbsm.com>; wrote:
> To suggest that I or my industry does not take security seriously, is inaccurate and immaterial to this discussion. 

I'm sure you take security seriously.   What I'm saying is that you have tunnel vision about it, because you are caught between a rock (the IETF) and a hard place (management that won't listen).
 
> I would put the comment  that anyone or any industry is attempting to lay costs for anything off on IETF,  in the same unfortunate bucket. 

By "we" I mean users of the Internet, not the IETF.  The IETF doesn't have deep pockets.
 
> These types of subjectively negative statements are not at all constructive, germane nor worthy of response.


That's fine.   We would all like for this conversation to end.   My "subjectively negative statements" were just explaining to you why you aren't making any headway in the working group in trying to get the outcome you seek.