Re: [TLS] Publication of draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility-00

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Thu, 19 October 2017 17:27 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Paul Turner <PAUL.TURNER@venafi.com>, "tls@ietf.org" <tls@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [TLS] Publication of draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility-00
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Publication of draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility-00
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We disagree.

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