[TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS WG chairs falsely claiming WG consensus to issue an RFC for draft-ietf-tls-mldsa
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Subject: [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS WG chairs falsely claiming WG consensus to issue an RFC for draft-ietf-tls-mldsa
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> > More importantly, in my perspective, advocating hybrids is neither a > criticism of ML-DSA, nor an application of double standards. But it is a > matter of risk management. We are considering introducing algorithms > based on comparatively new hardness assumptions into the most important > cryptographic protocol on the Internet. There is nothing wrong with > optimism, but in this context one may also argue that a more cautious > approach is warranted. Better safe than sorry. > In a vacuum hybrids are obviously better. The reality is that we haven't converged on *which* hybrid for signatures in the ecosystems I'm aware of. We can't expect every server to install certificates for all 18 variants of lamps-pq-composite-sigs, nor the six variants of its not-so-short short list. You frame *insisting* on PQ/T hybrids is the most conservative approach generally, where as it is in fact a bet most consistent with the view that quantum attack will not materialize.
- [TLS] Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS WG … D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Deb Cooley
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Nadim Kobeissi
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Joseph Birr-Pixton
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Tibor Jager
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Daniel Apon
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… IETF Chair
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… IETF Chair
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Tibor Jager
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: Complaint to ADs and IESG regarding TLS… Daniel Apon