Re: [TLS] Bakeoffs

Sean Turner <TurnerS@ieca.com> Thu, 17 April 2014 20:58 UTC

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On Apr 15, 2014, at 21:19, Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com> wrote:

> Fundamentally the question is this: Why will Eric Rescorla do
> correctly this time what he failed to do correctly twice before? 

Watson,

Please stop the personal attacks.  The IETF published the TLS RFCs after the IETF consensus process is run.  That process includes the WG reaching consensus (sometimes rough), the wider IETF community reaching consensus, and the entire IESG reviewing the WG’s specification.  Ownership of any failings is to be shared by a very wide community.

spt (as chair)