[TLS] Re: Third Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns
Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com> Fri, 28 September 2007 20:37 UTC
Return-path: <tls-bounces@lists.ietf.org>
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IbMaU-0001cK-7g; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:37:26 -0400
Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IbMaS-0001U4-2g; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:37:24 -0400
Received: from cirrus.av8.net ([130.105.36.66]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IbMaH-0004xZ-PY; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:37:19 -0400
Received: from [130.105.12.10] ([130.105.12.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by cirrus.av8.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l8SKaRf4029719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:36:27 -0400
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:36:26 -0400
From: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
X-X-Sender: dean@citation2.av8.net
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <46FC0847.8030408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0709281605030.1991-100000@citation2.av8.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII"
X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/)
X-Scan-Signature: 386e0819b1192672467565a524848168
Cc: ipr-wg@ietf.org, Tim Polk <tim.polk@nist.gov>, ietf@ietf.org, Brad Hards <bradh@frogmouth.net>, tls@ietf.org
Subject: [TLS] Re: Third Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns
X-BeenThere: tls@lists.ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is the mailing list for the Transport Layer Security working group of the IETF." <tls.lists.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls>, <mailto:tls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/tls>
List-Post: <mailto:tls@lists.ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls>, <mailto:tls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Errors-To: tls-bounces@lists.ietf.org
I cannot post to the IETF list (because of prior misconduct by Housley and others regarding my previous complaints of failures to file IPR disclosures on other drafts). I would appreciate it if someone would repost this to the ietf list. Following will be my last response to Polk. Inline: On Fri, 28 Sep 2007, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > I think the IETF already sent a very strong signal that it won't > close its eyes to late disclosures for standards track documents, > by removing this from the standards track. It seems like double > jeopardy to use this as an argument against Experimental status > too - as Tim has said, there's nothing in our rules to block > publication as Experimental after an IPR disclosure. "Double jeopardy" is the legal term for twice being at risk for the same crime. I suppose it is good to implicitly recognize that something wrong happened, here. But the IETF has not explicitly recognized the gravity of the problem, and therefore has not rehabilitated Housley or Brown. Indeed, nothing bad at all seems to have happened to them as a result of their misconduct; not even an official email censuring their conduct; no resignation; nothing. (see http://www.av8.net/IETF-watch/People/Housley/index.html) Housley and Brown very nearly succeeded in circumventing the IETF process by not properly disclosing the facts according to their obligations and duties. Their near success and lack of penalty has emboldened Tim Polk to attempt to circumvent the process again. Consequently, we have yet another, new violation of the rules: Tim Polk admits to me privately that he is a close personal friend of Housley, and that their families vacation together. This is a conflict of interest in violation of the ISOC conflict of interest policy for senior staff, because the patent directly and indirectly benefits Brown, Housley, and Polk by more than $10,000. The ISOC has a conflict of interest policy at http://www.isoc.org/isoc/general/trustees/conflictofinterest.shtml The ISOC policy applies to "Trustees, Institutional Officers and Senior Staff". The IESG members are "Senior Staff", because they are volunteer senior management employees insured by the ISOC. Polk says he doesn't need to announce his conflict of interest because 'Dean Anderson is one of the few IETFers who doesn't know of Housley and Polk's close friendship' I have also quoted the law of agency to Mr. Polk; The Law of Agency defines his duties to an employer. Polk has apparently ignored the law. It is not in the interests of the IETF or the ISOC to approve this patented protocol, and nor to effectively ignore the misconduct involved. It is not double jeopardy to prevent Housley and Brown from further circumventing the IETF process. > > 2. The authorisation extensions have recently been implemented by a free > > software library, and problems were found in a couple of areas: > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tls/current/msg01518.html > > I agree that these points would need to be addressed by the authors > while reviewing Last Call comments, but they don't seem critical > for an Experimental document, do they? Also see > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tls/current/msg01519.html What does seem critical for an experimental document is real research and development. There is none of that here. This is a proprietary commercial protocol promoted by Red Phone Security, IETF Chair Russ Housley (employed by Red Phone Security to produce this draft), and the cronies of Housley, including Polk. --Dean -- Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service 617 344 9000 _______________________________________________ TLS mailing list TLS@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls
- [TLS] Re: Third Last Call: draft-housley-tls-auth… Dean Anderson
- [TLS] Re: Third Last Call: draft-housley-tls-auth… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] Re: Third Last Call: draft-housley-tls-… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Third Last Call: draft-housley-tls-auth… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] Re: Third Last Call: draft-housley-tls-… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] Re: Third Last Call: draft-housley-tls-… Dean Anderson