[TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSLKEYLOGFILE Format for TLS
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Subject: [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSLKEYLOGFILE Format for TLS
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I think we should abandon this effort and not publish. When initially proposed this was supposed to be documenting a deployed reality. I could just about hold my nose with that, but adding in ECH (for which key exfiltration is not currently deployed, nor seemingly needed) and the IANA considerations make this much more unacceptable. While I expected to be in the rough for the initial proposal I do hope others find this as unacceptable as I do and we don't publish. Including ECH here is IMO not necessary - there is no history of needing that for debugging purposes so adding it based on speculation is IMO wrong and a fatal error. This is now extensible (via IANA specification required) which is a problem as that means anyone can likely define new ways to exfiltrate secrets from TLS implementations without any WG overview. That IMO is another fatal error. Less importantly, but still substantively, the draft does not, but should, recommend that this feature only be available via conditional compilation (where available) and not be part of any standard library or other release. If publishing, we should be aiming for the strongest possible implementation guidance in that respect. Thanks, S.
- [TLS] 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSLKEYL… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Ben Smyth
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Ben Smyth
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… _ _
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Christian Huitema
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Aaron Zauner (azet)
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Arnaud Taddei
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Achim Kraus
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… S Moonesamy
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Aaron Zauner
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Aaron Zauner
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Aaron Zauner
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Arnaud Taddei
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: 2nd Working Group Last C… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Arnaud Taddei
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: 2nd Working Group Last C… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] 2nd Working Group Last Call … Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Arnaud Taddei
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: 2nd Working Group Last Call for The SSL… Ben Smyth