Re: [TLS] Deployment ... Re: This working group has failed

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Mon, 18 November 2013 16:44 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:41:19 -0500
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These seem contradictory to me:

>> TLS 1.2 solves the same problem as TLS 1.0. It should therefore have the same API.
> The current APIs have caused lots of security bugs as people don't use them correctly. The solution: high level APIs that won't change ...

The IETF has traditionally avoided API's and doesn't get involved in high-level language wars (other than ASN.1/DER vs ASCII art :)

	/r$

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