Re: [TLS] [Ietf-honest] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Wed, 02 December 2009 03:07 UTC

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On 11/30/09 9:09 PM, Richard Stallman wrote:
>     Dan - the IPR notice is a statement of the ownership of the IP
> 
> It is a bad practice to use the term "intellectual property" to talk
> about anything, because that term is harmfully broad.  No matter which
> law is the real topic, confusing it with other laws is not good.
> 
> These issues concern patents and only patents.  (Copyrights and
> trademarks could not raise issues like these.)  So we can avoid
> spreading confusion by speaking of "notices about patents" and
> "ownership of the patents", and avoiding the term "IP".
> 
> It's easy to do, so how about it?

Agreed, the term "intellectual property" is only bound to lead to
muddled thinking.

Peter

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