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Re: [TLS] RSA-PSS in TLS 1.3

Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 29 February 2016 18:53 UTC

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From: Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] RSA-PSS in TLS 1.3
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> On 29 Feb 2016, at 8:00 PM, Hanno Böck <hanno@hboeck.de> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 09:32:04 -0800
> Joseph Salowey <joe@salowey.net> wrote:
> 
>> We make RSA-PSS mandatory to implement (MUST implement instead of MUST
>> offer).   Clients can advertise support for PKCS-1.5 for backwards
>> compatibility in the transition period.
>> Please respond on the list on whether you think this is a reasonable
>> way forward or not.
> 
> I recently already saw the message here asking for PKCS #1 1.5
> compatibilty and was quite angry about it, but as there wasn't much
> discussion I thought this issue would go away. It seems it did not.
> 
> RSA-PSS was specified as RFC 3447 in 2003. That was 13 years ago.
> 
> Therefore we can conclude:
> * Whoever created that hardware implementation either did so more than
>  13 years ago (probably unlikely) or deliberately created hardware
>  crypto with sub-standard algorithm support.
> * This can mean a couple of things:
> a) The hardware vendor knew about it and expected that they could
> prevent a move to RSA-PSS by lobbying standardization bodies (this is
> what they seem to do right now). In this case they deliberately want to
> weaken security and that behavior should not be encouraged.
> b) They didn't know about RFC 3447. That probably means they shouldn't
> develop crypto products at all.
> c) Something else?

Yeah, such as all of their customers are using PKCS#1 because that is what everybody uses in all current versions of TLS and several other protocols?

Regardless, hardware vendors should rejoice. We’re giving their customers a good reason to buy new hardware.

Yoav

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