Return-Path: X-Original-To: tls@mail2.ietf.org Delivered-To: tls@mail2.ietf.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F6CBE5EA1D for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2026 18:10:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ietf.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: mail2.ietf.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=umich.edu Received: from mail2.ietf.org ([166.84.6.31]) by localhost (mail2.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uOHTFMQCGaFU for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2026 18:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from yurei.relay-egress.a.mail.umich.edu (yurei.relay-egress.a.mail.umich.edu [18.216.144.57]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F407ABE5EA16 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2026 18:10:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from chirpy-tupilaq.authn-relay.a.mail.umich.edu (ip-10-0-74-139.us-east-2.compute.internal [10.0.74.139]) by yurei.relay-egress.a.mail.umich.edu with ESMTPS id 699FAB93.2327C767.2C4199F2.1526143; Wed, 25 Feb 2026 21:10:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=umich.edu; s=relay-0; t=1772071827; bh=OMH3yS34PtKvsy9Emw2Ob0QbBV6qI6D40rPVmzyHvIg=; h=References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:Subject:To:Cc; b=V47gh41g/ZjzCX8KT71EILyGzgniizwnxW+W8PXECwMn178LUfEyRbgCngzZ6hdxv CaehoJ1VxUziC089mlSUTWZZjJ/jNXzDkcZWdcn2ZigrMpxEzFOm6KdT/mbTXejzyM YimXh2V8O5AXWAJJhQhm/cpxwVRmrBqUHal5GPRLWcU+A3XwFo8XAjEMxt0+K9nCmj WXgDGSTTWw6yfwyvi80YPhETJyEGjdZfd+69xNaT2G7lem4iqgh/oYt6/BJP540YP+ IdBNTTXHgZGsmxWae5kRoPFbgpKZeLSTh6IxZL1aMzfNV6oJWvDXAwdhE+sg8zqVVx TuIDhDk6DfR9A== Authentication-Results: chirpy-tupilaq.authn-relay.a.mail.umich.edu; iprev=pass policy.iprev=209.85.167.42 (mail-lf1-f42.google.com); auth=pass smtp.auth=davadria Received: from mail-lf1-f42.google.com (mail-lf1-f42.google.com [209.85.167.42]) by chirpy-tupilaq.authn-relay.a.mail.umich.edu with ESMTPSA id 699FAB92.314D26E2.7997FD86.1118617; Wed, 25 Feb 2026 21:10:27 -0500 Received: by mail-lf1-f42.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-59e60b3ccdfso388168e87.0 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2026 18:10:26 -0800 (PST) X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUJGUOj/GsHAyavyZIJddscFnplNSL3engQlWh5qgmklG3R6LkKJclHbZ6KGiZ2S5SHA0k=@ietf.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxPQnR+lkn7QOhVPebHmcaXX8BdVWdEoqqQQrBoXJ5u/jWlXf3K +JKzr8baWMDlMMs+SsdD9qK5FNqpC4Y8/xjOF6yO3PeMRVN7iNG1lgGQ7r86On9f6QacwypwizO VDAvC4wufqyvNTkRUEG6hKQsDKmqtx2c= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:3056:b0:59f:6db3:1526 with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-5a105d8ace9mr915181e87.10.1772071825144; Wed, 25 Feb 2026 18:10:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: David Adrian Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:10:14 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: X-Gm-Features: AaiRm53VflH1zIOvTKTeRX1jhTrGz5BLYHvcLF1aq1knTerLaQjfeK-f1fRh0nE Message-ID: To: Rob Sayre Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a782ae064bb09f98" Message-ID-Hash: OGH5CGZTNXTZXG7Q7T7UMBP4EGE3T4WK X-Message-ID-Hash: OGH5CGZTNXTZXG7Q7T7UMBP4EGE3T4WK X-MailFrom: davadria@umich.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tls.ietf.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: DA PIEVE Fabiana , "TLS@ietf.org" X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6 Precedence: list Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BTLS=5D_Re=3A_=5BEXT=5D_Re=3A_WG_Last_Call=3A_draft-ietf-tls-mlk?= =?utf-8?q?em-05_=28Ends_2026-02-27=29?= List-Id: "This is the mailing list for the Transport Layer Security working group of the IETF." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000a782ae064bb09f98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Because the IETF has a monopoly on TLS, but if the IETF continues to grind its reputation into a pulp, perhaps we=E2=80=99ll be so lucky as to be able= to ignore it in the future. On Wed, Feb 25, 2026 at 7:04=E2=80=AFPM Rob Sayre wrote: > On Wed, Feb 25, 2026 at 5:59=E2=80=AFPM David Adrian = wrote: > >> > No one trusts NIST. >> >> I trust NIST to run algorithm competitions. >> > > Then why wouldn't a NIST reference and a code point suffice? > > thank, > Rob > --000000000000a782ae064bb09f98 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Because the IETF has a monopoly on TLS, but if the IETF c= ontinues to grind its reputation into a pulp, perhaps we=E2=80=99ll be so l= ucky as to be able to ignore it in the future.=C2=A0

On Wed, Feb 25, 2026 at 7:04=E2=80=AFPM Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2026 at 5= :59=E2=80=AFPM David Adrian <davadria@umich.edu> wrote:
>= ;=C2=A0No one trusts NIST.

I trust NIST to run algorithm competitions.

Then why wouldn't a NIST reference and a code point su= ffice?

thank,
Rob=C2=A0
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